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Just had the worst theater experience of my life. There must have been 2 groups of people competing to see who can ruin the movie for everyone else. Can someone give me quick summary of what happened after they came across Carols old fighter pilot friend? After that I couldn't follow anything. I'm so pissed.


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CAPTAIN MARVEL

I thought this was an excellent addition to the MCU. This part origin/part chapter of the MCU was enjoyable from start to finish. I thought Brie Larson was fine as Capt Marvel. I liked her demeanor and attitude. We can understand how she acts because all she remembers/knows is the life of a Kree and their Kree above self attitude. Young Nick Fury was cool and the action sequences were good. The Skrulls were excellent and I look forward to more of them. Apparently Ben Mendelsohn finally isn't a villain for once at least in this film. He was hilarious. The cat was hilarious. It was quite entertaining and I'm looking forward to seeing Marvel in Endgame and what she does there. Definite purchase.

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Just had the worst theater experience of my life. There must have been 2 groups of people competing to see who can ruin the movie for everyone else. Can someone give me quick summary of what happened after they came across Carols old fighter pilot friend? After that I couldn't follow anything. I'm so pissed.


expand. was this you and a couple groups in a empty theatre or a full theatre.

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Ghostooze wrote:
Just had the worst theater experience of my life. There must have been 2 groups of people competing to see who can ruin the movie for everyone else. Can someone give me quick summary of what happened after they came across Carols old fighter pilot friend? After that I couldn't follow anything. I'm so pissed.


expand. was this you and a couple groups in a empty theatre or a full theatre.


It was a full theater, Saturday night 9:15 show. whatever. I'll probably end up just seeing it again before IW.


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I liked it, It's right on par with most of the first films for the characters. It gets by on a lot of good will and I would another film with Younger Fury and recruiting Natasha and Hawkeye and maybe some of of the X-Men. and the actual scenes with her powers are not that amazing (reminded me a lot of Human Torch scenes) It didn't quite have the extra thing, and it really didn't utilize the era outside of obligatory Radio Shack and Blockbuster or pre internet jokes.

I am kind of excited for another film though. Afterall with Ronan in there, you also can add Michael Rooker, and Stallone and even Kurt Russell again since the next film will also take place most likely before Guardians 2.

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You make a good argument against feminist-extremism (and that most SJWs are more intersted in revenge than equally) but still failed to apply it to Captain Marvel. A hero getting the better of their secretly evil former-master? That’s surely never happened before. Was Bruce leaving Ras Al Ghul to die on the train symbolic of the wealthy finally taking responsibility for the damage they’ve caused to this world? Damn you DC and your overly progressive agenda! I will not Occupy Gotham!!


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What I wrote assumes you're aware of that stuff already.

I think this is the key to both of our points. You went in expecting a feminist propaganda piece and that’s exactly what you saw. I went without that and got Superhero Origin Movie: The Movie.

However, since I know you aren’t an angry little InCel or a DCU stan I’ll allow it. :P


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Well done Gamaur, well done!

I went in unaware of any controversies or comments which would suggest an agenda at work. It was pretty blatant and I attribute that to poor writing and heavy-handed directing. As was mentioned, you can show a strong female character without beating everyone over the head with it. I want a superhero movie, not someone's soapbox. Again, I went in not knowing what to expect and ended up getting poorly concealed messaging.

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I've calmed down.

It's not bad as a piece of entertainment, has a lot going for it, and as much as I'll argue feminists overreach their representation, my own take is obviously way more political than a review ought to be. So, after some more digesting:

Fuck this movie.

It showcases perhaps the most misguided and naive social idealism since The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints commercials back in the early 90s. There is a fairness problem in workplaces and political spheres in need of addressing, but emasculating Nick Fury to the false level of your own political agenda, is not the place to do it.

I personally identified as a feminist until mid last year, then dropped it when it became clear their idea of equality is more bent towards a justice for past-oppressions than they seem to admit even to themselves: women have been silenced for so long, now it's their turn, a time finally for their voices to be heard, to forge a new system that enables fair recompense for their collective, historical suffering...I sarcastically quipped to a girl once, being a Jim Jefferies fan, that "women were inferior to men" - ha de fucking ha - and let's just say it was as though the pain of every incidence of female mistreatment in recorded history suddenly coalesced behind her death-stare, and a seismic haranguing ensued - this is where things get confusing, but no less delicate. Why was this girl so insanely pissed off over one sentence of the English language, that she immediately learnt to be a jest; and why do these feminist-identifying filmmakers see the status quo of the female quality-of-life so direly?

The argument they vouch for - that, physicality aside, men and women are exactly the same, and the male-driven clichés of superhero cinema are part of the system oppressing them - aggressively overreaches the genuine problem beneath all the bullshit. There is no such thing as a biological blank slate: society's organisation has been largely organic and determined by normative gender preferences; and here enlies where feminism's - and by extension, this film's - mission statement of 'fairness and equality' can be shown to be erroneous: it ignores basic principles of evolutionary biology, somehow assuming that, because humans possess a higher intelligence, we miraculously bipass all questions of our inate animal nature.

Feminism has an important place in driving equal opportunity where broad gender norms have become culturally integrated and distort the objectivity of an organisation's respect for the individual. It has a function in promoting fairness for the norm-defying individual, and in bringing about an abstraction of gender-specific traits from person to preferences and behaviour, to allow both women and men of all slants and shapes to feel accepted in embracing their own unique arrangement of differing gender features. The simple fact is, there are more males in construction and in competetive vocations than women, and there are more women in nursing and psychology roles than men; and there are comparable gender distributions throughout many non-physical fields, like physics and homemaking and fashion. This didn't happen by design; it's the natural distribution of our genes. Quoted this before, but Steven Pinker nailed it: "Fairness, does not equal sameness."

Captain Marvel seems less informed by these kinds of social sciences and more by a blog written by Katie Couric on Pinterest. Would be easy to ignore and leave to a So what? ..only it goes and achieves something no film of this magnitude has ever done before it: every single character, every construction of their background and interaction to power dynamic and development both big or small, practically the whole fucking script, is engineered with hands heavier than Thor's hammer to deliver you some little message totally unrelated to the film you're watching.

The most un-subtle social agenda out of Hollywood since fuck knows when. Wonder Woman was the star of her film; in Captain Marvel, Carol Danvers' every significant moment is charged with a reverence suitable to the beacon of the entire feminist movement.

Perfectly summed up by the last words of Ronan (in the film), admiring his Neo-like feminine foe, almost in reverie: "...we're coming back... for that woman"

James Cameron was making more inspiring feminist material than this 30 years ago. Even The Force Awakens does a much better job: they didn't go out of their source material's way, to get a point across. Sigourney Weaver was a badass without needing the constant juxtaposition against one-dimensional male assholes - and she was still feminine to a level audiences could readily identify with. Cameron shows his audience how tough his female characters are; in Captain Marvel's case, everything is somehow geared desperate to tell you something, while also assuming you're not only oppressive of the would-be Carol Danvers' of the world, but that you're also the sort to assume ugly people are bad people when really it's often beautiful people that are the bad people. Feels like a sermon from a stoned Barbara Walters.

Brie Larson is great in the titular role, even if she relies on her smirk in the absence of dialogue a little too often. Ben Mendelson is superb, finally getting the kind of role his talent deserves. Just a shame the film they're in could fairly be called feminism porn (case and point: Danvers' handling of Jude Law, her domineering male master, in their final scene together - scenes like that are to feminists, basically what Rocky's win in Rocky II was to racists) and that the inherent masculinity of the story being told is handled with the awkwardness of a father changing his daughter's nappy (our version of diaper) for the first time.

Kathryn Bigelow should have directed this. Ironically, the film is that feminine, it manages to become an irony of its own faulty message by showing how even a whole team of women struggles to portray a masculine energy (just as you would expect a team of masculine men to struggle to achieve the feminine realism in something like 'Thirteen') of which the soundtrack is the beat and emotional core - another reason it's better to separate gender traits from individuals: masculine female directors exist, just as feminine male ones do. It's not cohesive or polished as we've come to expect of the recent MCU; hints of space opera early on soon fade into a sort of dreaminess, close to but not quite like those low-budget with a good story sci-fi productions you sometimes see, with a vague sense of nostalgia thrown in. But it all feels distant, somehow. It's trying to be feminism's Black Panther, basically, but I doubt Kevin Feige realised how aggressively and heavy-handed they'd drive their points home.

All young black Americans had in the way of superhero role models prior to 2017 was Will Smith - and, sorry ladies, but the modern permeation of black America's historical plight is a lot more severe - and yet, Black Panther wasn't half as agenda-focused as this was. Might be a part of Feige's strategy, of course.

Agree with it or not, feminism, at its core, is a necessary movement - tightens the social integrity of sexism, making it clearer, more black and white, so reducing the likelihood of male-to-female violence; and it's necessary politically, to ensure a fair representation for women where there currently is none. Captain Marvel is on the one hand just a movie, on the other it's a very loud voice, for a post-Weinstein hysteria of an issue already being taken seriously, capitalised on by self-righteous bloggers, in which progress is approached with the same megaphoned arrogance that their target - the white middle class man - once used on them.

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I think it's quite sad (and, frankly, a little frightening) all that was your takeaway.

Sure, it's hard seeing a movie where every main character isn't a straight white male with a few ladies/blacks/gays tossed in to appease the PC police (as long as they stick to their designated love interest/sassy friend/henchman/etc role, of course), but try to take comfort in...um, the thousands of movies over the last 70 years that cater exactly to that.

As for the movie, I thought it was nice having scene after scene without any straight white guys telling everyone what to do. Brie was a great lead and I thought her chemistry with everyone worked well. Looking forward to her meeting everyone!


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I didn't find it overly feminist at all. Wonder Woman was much more guilty of that. They shoved it so far down your throats there you literally had a women's bowel movement after it. I really don't see the controversy here. Seems like a major overreaction

This was just pretty much middle of the tier but more than serviceable. Definitely needed one more rewrite and a better edit. But still it's harder to shoehorn a character that is already appearing in the next Avengers film than where as Black Panther and Spider-man were established first in Civil War in smaller monumental roles.

Not to get off topic, but so does this mean that The Tesseract powers Captain Marvel? And Ant-Man can now basically travel through time and space, and Tony's arc reactor is rumored to be a secret final stone? Is that what they are leaning towards for Endgame?

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As for the movie, I thought it was nice having scene after scene without any straight white guys telling everyone what to do.


I mean its great for other people to have the spotlight but it's a little malicious to take pleasure in a "lack of straight white guys". And there are several straight white guys in the movie anyway. Talos, Coulson, and Yonn-Rogg, all of which are in a lot of scenes.


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As for the movie, I thought it was nice having scene after scene without any straight white guys telling everyone what to do.


I mean its great for other people to have the spotlight but it's a little malicious to take pleasure in a "lack of straight white guys". And there are several straight white guys in the movie anyway. Talos, Coulson, and Yonn-Rogg, all of which are in a lot of scenes.


That's kind of the problem large swaths of people are having with straight white men right now, they (ie you) see multiple characters of other genders/races/orientations and the joy people take in seeing themselves represented more than a pity token as an attack on your straight white throne at the top of all things. Why else would you see it as "malicious" for others to enjoy seeing some reflections of themselves on the big screen?

Of the 21 MCU movies so far there has been exactly *one* headlined by a woman (which took 20! movies to get to) and *one* headlined by a black guy (which took 18! to get to). It can't be that hard getting *one* female lead after over 10 years and 20 movies. Now, again, if you're a straight white man I'm sure you see no problems but for everyone else at the party it got a little old. It's nice having other voices/faces/POVs in the mix and this "feminist agenda!!" garbage is pure nonsense.


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As for the movie, I thought it was nice having scene after scene without any straight white guys telling everyone what to do.


I mean its great for other people to have the spotlight but it's a little malicious to take pleasure in a "lack of straight white guys". And there are several straight white guys in the movie anyway. Talos, Coulson, and Yonn-Rogg, all of which are in a lot of scenes.


That's kind of the problem large swaths of people are having with straight white men right now, they (ie you) see multiple characters of other genders/races/orientations and the joy people take in seeing themselves represented more than a pity token as an attack on your straight white throne at the top of all things. Why else would you see it as "malicious" for others to enjoy seeing some reflections of themselves on the big screen?

Of the 21 MCU movies so far there has been exactly *one* headlined by a woman (which took 20! movies to get to) and *one* headlined by a black guy (which took 18! to get to). It can't be that hard getting *one* female lead after over 10 years and 20 movies. Now, again, if you're a straight white man I'm sure you see no problems but for everyone else at the party it got a little old. It's nice having other voices/faces/POVs in the mix and this "feminist agenda!!" garbage is pure nonsense.


Jesus Christ you didn’t even read what I said. I said it’s possible to be happy for everyone having a chance in the spotlight while still not hating on who had the spotlight before.

I was a fan of captain Marvel for the most part, and I don’t think it shows any sort of “feminist agenda”. I wouldn’t have even cared if there wasn’t a single white or male character in the movie. I just think the pleasure should be in seeing representation rather than in not seeing straight white men or whatever.


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The straight white men thing has me wondering: Is any Skrull truly heterosexual or homosexual if their partner can change into anyone they want?

I watched a few minutes of the movie last night while waiting for Us to start (AMC usually has 25 minutes of trailers), purposefully looking for the feminist agenda. And yes the lines “we are gonna show these boys”, “do you know why they call it a cockpit” and “you’ll never be strong enough” did stand out. But then I once again realized that all of these things are standard in superhero movies with men and were no big deal then. How many times was Peter told he wasn’t good enough? Or super-skinny Chris Evans before he became a super-soldier. Though her best superhero comparison is probably The Winter Soldier since she was basically a brainwashed assassin for the Kree.

I had to go before Goose turned up, so next time I will try watching it as a Cute-Cat propaganda and see if its offensive.


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zwackerm wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
As for the movie, I thought it was nice having scene after scene without any straight white guys telling everyone what to do.


I mean its great for other people to have the spotlight but it's a little malicious to take pleasure in a "lack of straight white guys". And there are several straight white guys in the movie anyway. Talos, Coulson, and Yonn-Rogg, all of which are in a lot of scenes.


That's kind of the problem large swaths of people are having with straight white men right now, they (ie you) see multiple characters of other genders/races/orientations and the joy people take in seeing themselves represented more than a pity token as an attack on your straight white throne at the top of all things. Why else would you see it as "malicious" for others to enjoy seeing some reflections of themselves on the big screen?

Of the 21 MCU movies so far there has been exactly *one* headlined by a woman (which took 20! movies to get to) and *one* headlined by a black guy (which took 18! to get to). It can't be that hard getting *one* female lead after over 10 years and 20 movies. Now, again, if you're a straight white man I'm sure you see no problems but for everyone else at the party it got a little old. It's nice having other voices/faces/POVs in the mix and this "feminist agenda!!" garbage is pure nonsense.


Jesus Christ you didn’t even read what I said. I said it’s possible to be happy for everyone having a chance in the spotlight while still not hating on who had the spotlight before.

I was a fan of captain Marvel for the most part, and I don’t think it shows any sort of “feminist agenda”. I wouldn’t have even cared if there wasn’t a single white or male character in the movie. I just think the pleasure should be in seeing representation rather than in not seeing straight white men or whatever.


I read and responded to what you said, it seems to have gone over your head. Also, the comment of mine that seems to have ruffled your panties was in response to a previous poster lamenting how hard it is being a man and seeing a movie starring other kinds of people. Context is your friend!


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Oh my!! I love these discussion but why are people talking about the same thing(s) and ruffling "panties" here.

I read all these big paragraphs and I come to a conclusion that everyone has OPINIONS and they might be different from others but the line of thinking seems pretty much same here i.e. "We don't want injustice and will be happy with equal representation (in a harmonious way)".

Some people saw things done wrongly in CM while others didn't have a problem with it. Let's leave it at that. :thumbsup:


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Ugghhh, Jack...they're all adults here. They don't need daddy Admin Jack coming in and splitting them up, having the final word like Lecter used to do.

And at least they're adding to the discussion, unlike your useless post.


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This movie surprisingly had little agenda in it unless you wanted it to

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Just re-watched it last night, and it's more underwhelming than I remembered. The first hour is still pretty good, the introduction to the 90's is fun. But once they arrive at her pilot buddy's home things get pretty boring, and the Skrulls/ Kree twist is pretty uninteresting in the process knowing it beforehand. The showcasing of her powers at the end is nicely done, as is the tie-in to Avengers, but it really is a bit of a drag getting through the part before that.

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I can never connect with this movie even though I liked Brie and Jackson in their roles. The action is pretty good but the structure and reveal of the story makes it disjointed if you don't know about the character before. I did like the parts of Skrull in the end but once again the end disappoints a lot and this time they didn't even build the central villain because most movie is about finding the real reason of her powers.


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While I still don't love the movie and its definitely a low tier Marvel movie for me I somehow connected better this time. I am still not fan of MCU's deceptive strategies that are on full display here as well as Wandavision.

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