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 Dunkirk 

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A 53%  53%  [ 9 ]
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 Dunkirk 
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This is a one-of-a-kind movie experience that should not be missed but that doesn't mean its a great movie. The characters are just characters and do not feel like human beings, I know they are soldiers but I don't see fear in their eyes, they are just playing their part while music builds all the tension. The ending with news and train appreciation is not as rewarding, I see that the dead-boy gets the fame but its not like he was there in the movie for more than 4 scenes. The rest of the cast is wasted as well, specially Cillian Murphy and Branagh's character. The plane scenes are just gorgeous to look at and should be given credit for technical achievement but they come out repetitive in terms of Hardy killing enemy planes and getting too much focus with depleting oil tank, the same could have been done to other fighters who die/fall, before that happens. The final does pay off when Hardy lands the plane and gets caught. The central character who carries the film does enough but there isn't much emotional attachment and the mysterious hand in the water is just obvious from the get-go. The multiple timelines work fine in terms of narration but I can see why it is confusing to many, I'd say that it wasn't handled well given that its a specialty of Nolan.

The music is again brilliant as it is in Nolan movies but is too loud in a few scenes. The visuals are great specially the aerial scenes they just reminded me of how Gravity used visuals to create an immersive experience, this takes that to another level. I am very impressed of the focus that Nolan has as a director and writer here, its an awe-inspiring work to handle such HUGE crew the way he does and show the brutalities of war. There are few better directors at the moment who can match him at this scale and produce a visual masterpiece and create the need for watching a movie in cinema halls.

Its a movie that has to be experienced in a movie theater, preferably in IMAX. There are obvious flaws but it covers them so brilliantly that its difficult to not overlook them. I guess that's the reason Nolan kept it so short.

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The VR stuff is just lol.

"My pitch to Warner Bros was 'we’re going to put the audience into the cockpit of a Spitfire and have them dogfight the Messerschmitts',” Nolan explains. “We’re going to put them on the beach, feeling the sand getting everywhere, confronting the waves. We’re going to put them on small civilian boats bouncing around on the waves on this huge journey heading into a terrifying war zone. It’s virtual reality without the headset.” -via


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Alright tree, I see that point, and I can't deny Dunkirk relies heavily on the realistic feel of experiencing the films events. And that's its strength, I think it delivers a stronger narrative through it and not the other way around.


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Nolan is just aggrandizing his film's structure. He is adding flare to his sales pitch. It is not meant to be taken literally. Dunkirk is not virtual reality. It is not only absent a headset, it is absent a crucial element; user choice. Nolan takes us where he wants us to go and shows us what he wants us to see.


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Okay, as you can see from my register date/post count, I am a lurker supreme on this board, and am hardly ever compelled to post, but I just got back from the theater from this one and feel like I possibly need psychiatric treatment...

Am I missing something here? This was, easily, the most boring movie I have ever seen. Nothing happens. And for the record, of my favorite films of all time, I'd say a large portion or even most of them are "boring" in the sense they're mostly dialogue/character driven (There Will Be Blood, The Godfather I and II, Zodiac, and even my favorite action movies are the "cerebral" ones like The Bourne Ultimatum, Minority Report, Edge of Tomorrow etc.) so it's not like I came into this just hoping to see some mindless bloody carnage. It's just that nothing happens in this movie. I feel like there's not even a way to describe it other than that simple statement. Nothing happens During the first 20 minutes or so I figured the fact that nothing was happening was some ingenious tension-building technique playing off the audience's general expectations of a film: something really big must be happening soon, because something has to happen eventually; that's what a movie is, right? Then 20 minutes became 30, 30 became 40, 40 became 60, and as the running time neared its scheduled expiration, I sat in disbelief. (And, for the record, when the movie ended, the entire audience sat in dead silence and exchanged bewildered glances.)

I almost feel like my theater must have received the wrong cut, because that can't have been the movie so many people are raving about.

I'm sorry that this post is sounding trollish, but I'm seriously at a loss for words. I feel like there's some serious Emperor's New Clothes shit going on here. Somebody help me out.


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Hey Ludovican,

From one lurker to another, thanks for posting!

I feel like Nolan was making a conscious choice not to show any enemy soldiers as a way of taking the war movie and making it a pure survival film. It's hard to reconcile gut feelings but I loved the way the minimalist approach because it (mostly) freed the film from propaganda and exposition, and felt true to the stoic British spirit. I also found it to be Nolan's most beautiful film to date. The action was shot with a clarity that exceeded anything in his Batman trilogy.

I know I'm personally puzzled to read people criticize the film for being immersive. That was one of the things I loved about it the most.


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That is the second time recently I've heard the expression "Emperor's New Clothes shit". What does that actually mean?


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I have seen it at a regular screening and as pointed out IMAX seems to be the way to go. Still, on of the most thrilling episodes of warfare captured an screen todate. Visceral and thought provoking regarding the rise of right-wing parties in Europe, which left many a bit uneasy in their seats.

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This is kind of a tough one because on a technical level this is a masterpiece. Fantastic cinematography, score music, and of course sound design. Performances are strong, though absolutely nobody stands out as not one actor is given a whole lot to do. The lack of story is kind of surprising. I understand that the film is more about the experience and putting you in this situation, and that's fine, but it makes it hard to truly care about what happens to anyone. Outside of really admiring the film I can't say I'm a huge fan. I do believe the only way to see this is on the biggest screen you can find and for its technical merits alone I'd recommend seeing it. If you can't catch it in theaters though I don't know if you really need to see it.

The filmmaking on display here is an A+, but as a whole I'd give the movie a B/B+.

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Performances are strong, though absolutely nobody stands out


Mark Rylance stands out. Or did you watch the a cut where The Sea thread was deleted?


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He gives the best performance I suppose but I really didn't think anyone was great.

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The lack of story is kind of surprising.

I find it peculiar to read this, because especially because of the 3 angles (land, sea and air) the film covers a lot of story actually I think. Even while the film is told through visuals and sound, I think they pack so much punch that I don't relate to lack of story comments.

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I understand that the film is more about the experience and putting you in this situation, and that's fine, but it makes it hard to truly care about what happens to anyone.

There indeed doesn't seem to be a lot of dialogue so I guess I can see how for some people that offers a lack of engagement. But as you mention the experience, this offered all the tension it needed for me to feel involved.


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Anybody that sees the "lack of a story" as a negative is simply not a mature film watcher. They're narrow-minded in the expectation that every film must fit into a little box of beginning, middle, and an end, have a clear narrative, etc. etc.


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Anybody that sees the "lack of a story" as a negative is simply not a mature film watcher. They're narrow-minded in the expectation that every film must fit into a little box of beginning, middle, and an end, have a clear narrative, etc. etc.

Anybody that judges film watchers' maturity based on their taste in narrative structure is a dogmatist.

Especially when that judgment is based on a review of a single film. I daresay that those who found the particular nonlinear narrative structure of Dunkirk to be a failure, may well have found the structure of other nonlinear narrative films to be successful.


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Algren really can't stand it when people don't like a film he likes.

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Algren really can't stand it when people don't like a film he likes.


Look at my Top 100. I have about 25 years experience in knowing people dislike the films I like. I really don't care what others think. But that doesn't mean I can't comment when I notice something about another person's experience.


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Anybody that sees the "lack of a story" as a negative is simply not a mature film watcher. They're narrow-minded in the expectation that every film must fit into a little box of beginning, middle, and an end, have a clear narrative, etc. etc.



I don't buy this nonsense at all. What if I made a movie that consisted of my alarm clock ringing, me pressing the snooze button and sleeping in for 20 minutes, getting up, sitting in the tub for 20 minutes, taking a shower, getting dressed, getting in my car, and driving to work? The final shot is a wide shot of me on the on-ramp, progressing onto the freeway, then fade out and roll credits. If my movie were lambasted as "boring", how much of a response would it be for me to say "You just have a narrow-minded idea of what a movie 'should' be. Movies should also reflect real life and sometimes real life is completely boring."

Filmmaking is a craft. Like any craft, there are foundational elements that generally need to be there in order to make the piece "work." When it comes to movies, one of the most essential or perhaps even the essential element of it is a narrative arc. This movie has only the skeleton of one, if even that. The most charitable way I can think of to describe it is as an experimental film. If the experiment worked for you, great. But get off your high horse deriding those of us who are used to expecting things like "plot" and "character development" in a movie.


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I did not claim that a movie should be boring. I simply said that the lack of a clear narrative, film codes and conventions etc. does not make a film boring, and Dunkirk is a perfect example, yet people call it boring because there is "no story" (even though there is a story, it's just told with experiences instead of hand-holding voice-overs or characters explaining everything), and these people are clearly inexperienced film fans that expect every film to adhere to their narrow-minded construct of what a film should be. Dunkirk is a riveting movie experience, and I am not sorry to tell you that anyone who thinks it is boring is a novice. People can dislike it, but disliking it for the right reasons, not some moronic sheep mass knee-jerk reaction to be contrarian.


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People can dislike it, but disliking it for the right reasons, not some moronic sheep mass knee-jerk reaction to be contrarian.


Oh yeah, that's it. I was actually secretly riveted during Dunkirk but I thought I could draw some attention to myself if I pretended to hate it.

I'm curious, what are the "right reasons" to dislike Dunkirk that one can espouse while still being considered a Sophisticated Film Fan?


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I'll know when I hear them but at the moment all I hear is the same crappy reason. And I generally do not seek out reviews other than on KJ, so you're on your own with this one.


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At least Ludovician explained his point of view effectively enough to make it a matter of personal taste. Tree and a half might also have a decent evaluation in him, but it's his (or her) delivery through crapping on everyone with a different perspective to his own that makes him seem attention-seeking, the extremeness of which comes across as trollish and contrarian.


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