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Wonder Woman...$400m WW plus millions more in PVOD. Could happen.
Hopefully California opens up.

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I really want to see Dune on the big screen. There’s a reason why you watch expensive films on the big screen. There’s a calibration given to big budget spectacles. It’s like bringing quality food home. Something gets lost in the process. It’s not the same.

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There will probably be a 2nd wave in the US due to the cold, Europe is already blowing up again.

At some point you have to ask is there ANY evidence the lockdowns work? We were told the lockdowns were the only way to prevent millions of deaths. Ok, then why didn't Sweden get wiped off the map? Their death rate is like half as high as Peru's who had the most draconian lockdowns of anyone. South Dakota decided not to lock down and are 22nd in covid death rate. For having the oldest population Florida at 11th highest death rate did ok. The worst states hit by COVID are the heavy lockdown states NY and NJ. The US is a test case cause some states locked down more than others due to the ideological differences, so wouldn't we able to see it in the results if the lockdown states did any better? Yet 6 of the top 9 states in covid death per person including the top 4 will be voting Democrat by double digits this election (1. NJ 2. NY 3. Massachusetts, 4. Connecticut, 6. Rhode Island 8. Illinois) meaning not only did their governors lock down but their population was full of people afraid of COVID and social distancing on their own.

Are we supposed to treat China of evidence of anything? Like their official position is ZERO COVID deaths in 6 months in a country with billions of people. That's believable.

The lockdowns were a worthwhile experiment but after 6 months after testing them the evidence suggests no correlation between that and success. That may be because the lockdowns don't stop it because most people still leave their house every day for essential services, or that they're cancelled out by other factors like isolation and living in fear. Do we think that old people who haven't seen their grankids in 6 months aren't dying because of it? Meanwhile there are non covid related deaths caused by the lockdowns like suicide or people avoiding their doctors check ups.

The lockdowns sounding good on paper means nothing when it comes to them actually working. Why not learn from the evidence and change course instead of going for lockdown Round 2?

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BEcaus eyour opinion is far more important than the experts on this topic. sorry but no. sit the fuck down about this. go vote for trump, early voting is ending.

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There are no “experts” on COVID 19.

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There are no “experts” on COVID 19.


Right? No one knows what the fuck they're doing. Some countries that followed the most stringent lockdown measures are worse off than countries that were very casual. Then some of those countries are suddenly doing horribly and scrambling to go into lockdown. New research comes out all the time contradicting previous findings, as you'd expect with a brand new disease.

It's a huge epic mess. It sucks that the entertainment world, that relies on crowds coming together, has been decimated by the lack of reliable knowledge since everyone's immediate reaction has been to limit all gatherings. If you think movie world is doing badly don't even look at live music. So many venues are never coming back, artists that are looking for a day job since streaming doesn't pay the bills, whole careers and industries across the world going up in smoke. You can't paralyze things for 6, 8, 10 months and expect to just come back as if nothing happened.

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I recommend reading this in full, an article from back in August: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 01918/full

84% of the Japanese now wear masks in public (indoor and outdoor) according to polling last month. America isn't even at 50% yet according to a report I read yesterday. Mask-wearing has been normal in Japan (and East Asia) for many, many years, and I think before COVID-19 even started that over 40% of Japanese always wore a mask in public; and it's clearly helping them against this virus. Masks are helping, and even if they don't offer full protection, if enough of the public wear them, it helps on a tremendous scale.

But in addition to mask-wearing, the article explains how perception, and perceiving the virus as a serious threat and mask-wearing being perceived as a social norm when it may not necessarily be, both help motivate the public to do the same. This is where America, and many other countries, has really messed up, I believe. It's not about locking down. Japan was only on lockdown for about 6 weeks. Poor communication regarding the severity concerns and arguing/debating the usage of masks is the problem.

Perception is reality.

It's now been over a month in Japan since the government fully lifted capacity restrictions, not just at theaters, but at any small/medium venue. There are only restrictions on large venues like sporting arenas that can hold many tens of thousands of people at a time, but those are gradually being reduced as well.

Japan (pop. 126 million in a crowded space with nearly 40 million in the Tokyo area alone) is only recording a few hundred cases, sometimes up to 500+ range, a day since then. South Dakota, a state with a pop. under 900,000!, has been reporting similar daily cases, and have begun to report more daily cases than all of Japan. Nothing is closed in Japan. There are basically no capacity restrictions. They're still going out and enjoying their lives. They just wear masks and follow proper hand-washing and sanitary procedures 80/85% of the time.

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Agreed wearing masks and proper hand sanitization has helped here as well. SG never went into a "lockdown" mode. Transport and daily facilities were always open here with about 4 weeks of mandated stay at home for 70% of the population here. Most of the restrictions have now been lifted (5 people in a small group and with permission about 250 people in large group are allowed) and Phase 3 is about to begin from November allowing bigger number of social gatherings for both small and large groups


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ecuse me but what? the biggest and most important thing you can do is wear a mask. It has been shown to reduce contagion AND even if you get it only leads to less viral load and much more less chances of a severe case.

Wear a mask you morons.

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ecuse me but what? the biggest and most important thing you can do is wear a mask. It has been shown to reduce contagion AND even if you get it only leads to less viral load and much more less chances of a severe case.

Wear a mask you morons.


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I’m confused about the “less viral load” thing. Doesn’t an infection spread, so even if you only inhale one little bit of virus, it can still spread like wildfire throughout your body. Why would the amount you inhale matter?

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I believe this and many other virus (not all) take time to multiply but if you are exposed to a bigger fraction of it then it's easier for the virus to spread and cause more damage quickly.


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I’m confused about the “less viral load” thing. Doesn’t an infection spread, so even if you only inhale one little bit of virus, it can still spread like wildfire throughout your body. Why would the amount you inhale matter?


Because it takes a certain amount of load of virus for you to get sick. The less virus you inhale the less symtoms you get.
See, it's not the same if you inhale let's say.... 50 copies of the virus, if they replicate 10 times you get 500 copies in your body. Now if you inhale 500 copies of the virus, replicate that and you get 5,000. which one do you think will be sicker?

IF you wanna know about virus loads go do some HIV research lol. It's basically the same when undetectable patitents can't transmit HIV. They don0t have enough copies of the virus to get you infected.

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After the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Ireland ITALY is now the first big market in Europe, where theaters have to shut down for the second time... :-(

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I thought since viruses replicate a low viral load would become a high viral load without treatment. No?

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zwackerm wrote:
I’m confused about the “less viral load” thing. Doesn’t an infection spread, so even if you only inhale one little bit of virus, it can still spread like wildfire throughout your body. Why would the amount you inhale matter?


Because it takes a certain amount of load of virus for you to get sick. The less virus you inhale the less symtoms you get.
See, it's not the same if you inhale let's say.... 50 copies of the virus, if they replicate 10 times you get 500 copies in your body. Now if you inhale 500 copies of the virus, replicate that and you get 5,000. which one do you think will be sicker?

IF you wanna know about virus loads go do some HIV research lol. It's basically the same when undetectable patitents can't transmit HIV. They don0t have enough copies of the virus to get you infected.

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lilmac wrote:
I thought since viruses replicate a low viral load would become a high viral load without treatment. No?

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zwackerm wrote:
I’m confused about the “less viral load” thing. Doesn’t an infection spread, so even if you only inhale one little bit of virus, it can still spread like wildfire throughout your body. Why would the amount you inhale matter?


Because it takes a certain amount of load of virus for you to get sick. The less virus you inhale the less symtoms you get.
See, it's not the same if you inhale let's say.... 50 copies of the virus, if they replicate 10 times you get 500 copies in your body. Now if you inhale 500 copies of the virus, replicate that and you get 5,000. which one do you think will be sicker?

IF you wanna know about virus loads go do some HIV research lol. It's basically the same when undetectable patitents can't transmit HIV. They don0t have enough copies of the virus to get you infected.


yes, this is true. The treatment goal to make the viral load "undetectable" so it doesn't affect the host nor can it transmit it. IF you don't take your treatment an undetectable load can become one in over 100,000 copies/ml and be a disaster.

You need at least 200 copies/ml or something like that for you to get infected. And undetectable is below 20 so that's a good window.

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I recommend reading this in full, an article from back in August: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 01918/full

84% of the Japanese now wear masks in public (indoor and outdoor) according to polling last month. America isn't even at 50% yet according to a report I read yesterday. Mask-wearing has been normal in Japan (and East Asia) for many, many years, and I think before COVID-19 even started that over 40% of Japanese always wore a mask in public; and it's clearly helping them against this virus. Masks are helping, and even if they don't offer full protection, if enough of the public wear them, it helps on a tremendous scale.

But in addition to mask-wearing, the article explains how perception, and perceiving the virus as a serious threat and mask-wearing being perceived as a social norm when it may not necessarily be, both help motivate the public to do the same. This is where America, and many other countries, has really messed up, I believe. It's not about locking down. Japan was only on lockdown for about 6 weeks. Poor communication regarding the severity concerns and arguing/debating the usage of masks is the problem.

Perception is reality.

It's now been over a month in Japan since the government fully lifted capacity restrictions, not just at theaters, but at any small/medium venue. There are only restrictions on large venues like sporting arenas that can hold many tens of thousands of people at a time, but those are gradually being reduced as well.

Japan (pop. 126 million in a crowded space with nearly 40 million in the Tokyo area alone) is only recording a few hundred cases, sometimes up to 500+ range, a day since then. South Dakota, a state with a pop. under 900,000!, has been reporting similar daily cases, and have begun to report more daily cases than all of Japan. Nothing is closed in Japan. There are basically no capacity restrictions. They're still going out and enjoying their lives. They just wear masks and follow proper hand-washing and sanitary procedures 80/85% of the time.


Tbh.... having to wear a mask everywhere is not enjoying life. And does Japan have concerts and nightclubs? Are people wearing masks at those too?

At this point, it may be controversial to say, but I'm honestly starting to think life should just go back to normal and the ones who die die and the ones who don't don't. If you are old and have pre-existing conditions isolate yourself at home until it sweeps through the population and we have herd immunity.

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Tbh.... having to wear a mask everywhere is not enjoying life. And does Japan have concerts and nightclubs? Are people wearing masks at those too?

At this point, it may be controversial to say, but I'm honestly starting to think life should just go back to normal and the ones who die die and the ones who don't don't. If you are old and have pre-existing conditions isolate yourself at home until it sweeps through the population and we have herd immunity.


I think the people should decide how afraid to be of the pandemic. Remove all government enforced lockdowns or rules. There is no evidence they know any better than the people.

You wouldn't need rules in a real plague because people would be afraid enough on their own to leave their house. The only reason the government is putting in rules is they know the people don't take it close to as seriously as that and they think they know better than the population at large.

If you take the leash off and the people decide to risk it by going 99% back to normal like this is 2009 H1N1, then they have spoken. If the concert and theatre business is still dead it means people are genuinely afraid of it so they have also proven their point. Stop letting the government make decisions for people because half the time they're only doing things to get elected and the other half of the time they're serving whoever's bought them off like the big pharma interests that are about to ca$h in on a vaccine.

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I recommend reading this in full, an article from back in August: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 01918/full

84% of the Japanese now wear masks in public (indoor and outdoor) according to polling last month. America isn't even at 50% yet according to a report I read yesterday. Mask-wearing has been normal in Japan (and East Asia) for many, many years, and I think before COVID-19 even started that over 40% of Japanese always wore a mask in public; and it's clearly helping them against this virus. Masks are helping, and even if they don't offer full protection, if enough of the public wear them, it helps on a tremendous scale.

But in addition to mask-wearing, the article explains how perception, and perceiving the virus as a serious threat and mask-wearing being perceived as a social norm when it may not necessarily be, both help motivate the public to do the same. This is where America, and many other countries, has really messed up, I believe. It's not about locking down. Japan was only on lockdown for about 6 weeks. Poor communication regarding the severity concerns and arguing/debating the usage of masks is the problem.

Perception is reality.

It's now been over a month in Japan since the government fully lifted capacity restrictions, not just at theaters, but at any small/medium venue. There are only restrictions on large venues like sporting arenas that can hold many tens of thousands of people at a time, but those are gradually being reduced as well.

Japan (pop. 126 million in a crowded space with nearly 40 million in the Tokyo area alone) is only recording a few hundred cases, sometimes up to 500+ range, a day since then. South Dakota, a state with a pop. under 900,000!, has been reporting similar daily cases, and have begun to report more daily cases than all of Japan. Nothing is closed in Japan. There are basically no capacity restrictions. They're still going out and enjoying their lives. They just wear masks and follow proper hand-washing and sanitary procedures 80/85% of the time.


Tbh.... having to wear a mask everywhere is not enjoying life. And does Japan have concerts and nightclubs? Are people wearing masks at those too?

At this point, it may be controversial to say, but I'm honestly starting to think life should just go back to normal and the ones who die die and the ones who don't don't. If you are old and have pre-existing conditions isolate yourself at home until it sweeps through the population and we have herd immunity.


Yes, concerts and nightclubs have been allowed since May/June. There was a capacity restriction placed on them from May-September (rising to a 5,000 audience limit), but those restrictions were filly lifted on September 8th (I think), aside from very large venues that can hold tens of thousands of people at a time.

And yes, mask-wearing is still common practice at them, too. It comes down to culture as well. As I said, mask-wearing has been apart of everyday normal life in Japan, and a lot of East Asia, for many years. 40% of Japanese were already wearing masks in public before COVID-19 to help prevent catching/the spread of other viruses that would affect them at work or school (or general healthy). COVID-19 has just increased this common practice to a very common practice, with 84% (according to a survey last month) now wearing a mask in public. It's sort of just like putting on a coat if it's chilly outside. It's normal. Mask-wearing isn't seen as "normal" in the Western world, and is instead being considered a "statement". How silly. Just look what that mindset is doing to them (myself, included).

You don't NEED to isolate yourself or shutdown anything (Japan is the oldest country in the world, the most at risk in age), really, as long as the vast majority of the population is following basic/common procedures. But when you have half of the population fighting it, obviously things will worsen for the whole population/country.

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Yes, concerts and nightclubs have been allowed since May/June. There was a capacity restriction placed on them from May-September (rising to a 5,000 audience limit), but those restrictions were filly lifted on September 8th (I think), aside from very large venues that can hold tens of thousands of people at a time.

And yes, mask-wearing is still common practice at them, too. It comes down to culture as well. As I said, mask-wearing has been apart of everyday normal life in Japan, and a lot of East Asia, for many years. 40% of Japanese were already wearing masks in public before COVID-19 to help prevent catching/the spread of other viruses that would affect them at work or school (or general healthy). COVID-19 has just increased this common practice to a very common practice, with 84% (according to a survey last month) now wearing a mask in public. It's sort of just like putting on a coat if it's chilly outside. It's normal. Mask-wearing isn't seen as "normal" in the Western world, and is instead being considered a "statement". How silly. Just look what that mindset is doing to them (myself, included).

You don't NEED to isolate yourself or shutdown anything (Japan is the oldest country in the world, the most at risk in age), really, as long as the vast majority of the population is following basic/common procedures. But when you have half of the population fighting it, obviously things will worsen for the whole population/country.


Yeah but we aren't trying to be Japan. It's ok to have a different culture where we're more outgoing and open and want to see each other's faces. A lot of other things are normal in Japan that aren't ok in Western countries and vice versa.

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Correct, and understandable, of course. But trying to at least practice and imitate some of the successful ways other countries have succeeded in controlling the virus doesn't seem like a bad idea either. Life is a little more than just a culturally accepted idea or something.

In the end, just stating how Japan (a crowded and densely populated country, and with the oldest pop. in the world) has been able to keep the virus under control without making hardly any changes to their daily lives, while still being able to actively enjoy their hobbies (such as going to the movies) and help keep themselves and others safe and healthy from a potentially deadly virus at the same time. And it's just one example, of course.

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Once again, it's not that us don't want everyone to get sick.

We don't want them to get sick AT ONCE. What happens if your mother has a heart attack and the hospital is full of covid? She won0t get admited and die right there.

It's the oversaturation of hospitals that goverments are trying to avoid, because overcrowed hospitals mean much less quality of care and less meds to work with. That's the main difference, we can afford everyone to get sick while we wait for immunity? yes. But what happens when a hospital that has 200 beds has 195 covid patitentes? what happens to the rest of the sick patitents that need a hospital bed? they die.

That's the goal NOT TO HVE OVERSATURATED HOSPITALS. because that means mortality for ANY disease goes up.

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Once again, it's not that us don't want everyone to get sick.

We don't want them to get sick AT ONCE. What happens if your mother has a heart attack and the hospital is full of covid? She won0t get admited and die right there.

It's the oversaturation of hospitals that goverments are trying to avoid, because overcrowed hospitals mean much less quality of care and less meds to work with. That's the main difference, we can afford everyone to get sick while we wait for immunity? yes. But what happens when a hospital that has 200 beds has 195 covid patitentes? what happens to the rest of the sick patitents that need a hospital bed? they die.

That's the goal NOT TO HVE OVERSATURATED HOSPITALS. because that means mortality for ANY disease goes up.


As far as I know, the only hospitals that have been overwhelmed in any fashion were in NY/NJ at the start of the pandemic, as the virus ripped through nursing homes. It seems as long as we can keep the virus out of nursing homes, the hospitalization rate is not nearly high enough to overwhelm hospitals.

There were furloughs and dancing Nurse TikTok videos for Pete’s sake.

As long as the virus is spreading among those under 65, 1 in 1,000 or less will be hospitalized.

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Do hospitals even help people with COVID? Don’t ventilators have like an 80% fatality rate?

And tbh is it worth it to torpedo our society and forero our freedoms to work and gather and live for years (what’s its looking like at this pint) for the sake of 85 year olds?

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Do hospitals even help people with COVID? Don’t ventilators have like an 80% fatality rate?

And tbh is it worth it to torpedo our society and forero our freedoms to work and gather and live for years (what’s its looking like at this pint) for the sake of 85 year olds?


People with moderate/severe symptoms need supplemental oxygen. So, yes, hospital care can help them. Some COVID patients develop pneumonia and heart problems and will need hospitalization.


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