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lilmac
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
I’d see a Denis Villeneuve movie on day one.
Separate note. I wonder if JJ is able to write/create anything original.
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Excel
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Magnus wrote: Spielberg would never do it unless Disney lets Lucas produce.
the only director that actually could make the entire world go ape shit crazy for is Nolan. Any other director wouldn’t create hype just by being involved. The fan base and internet would explode if Disney gave Nolan an entire trilogy for him to write/direct and everyone would line up OD and not give a fuck about ST.
But it doesn’t seem like something he would ever agree to. A Nolan film or 2 centered on prime Rey would do mega biz.
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Jiffy
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
They'll never be able to replicate the excitement/demand of getting the OT cast back (TFA will remain a once in a generation type scenario), but I imagine they'll find some way to revive the film series to event status in 5-6 years.
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MovieDude
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Magnus wrote: Spielberg would never do it unless Disney lets Lucas produce.
the only director that actually could make the entire world go ape shit crazy for is Nolan. Any other director wouldn’t create hype just by being involved. The fan base and internet would explode if Disney gave Nolan an entire trilogy for him to write/direct and everyone would line up OD and not give a fuck about ST.
But it doesn’t seem like something he would ever agree to. If they could somehow convince George Miller to do a one off, people would go ape shit crazy. tbh I think that after this last decade people the hype train could be moved if they were able to snag Cuaron, Inarritu, Aronofsky, or Fincher. I'm glad Villeneuve is doing Dune.
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lilmac
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Please not Aronofsky. No way. Kathryn Bigelow for the win! She would have been great for Rogue One.
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MadGez
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
I don’t think any of the above names other than Nolan or Spielberg would mean all that much for the box office on OW anyway. Even if would love to see anything Villeneuve, Fincher, Cauron or Inarritu could do.
Bigelow needs to make more films in general. She’s been on a roll.
Speaking of Bigelow - can you imagine Disney convincing Cameron to direct a SW movie? Not that far fetched considering he’s kind of “in-house” now.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Magnus wrote: Spielberg would never do it unless Disney lets Lucas produce.
the only director that actually could make the entire world go ape shit crazy for is Nolan. Any other director wouldn’t create hype just by being involved. The fan base and internet would explode if Disney gave Nolan an entire trilogy for him to write/direct and everyone would line up OD and not give a fuck about ST.
But it doesn’t seem like something he would ever agree to. Unlikely as he was among those who was sought when this trilogy was started. Quote: “I’m very excited to see what he does,” Nolan said to the Daily Beast, referring to J.J. Abrams and his recently wrapped Star Wars: The Force Awakens. “He’s boldly going where he went before in Star Trek, and it takes colossal balls. I’m a lot more comfortable trying to do my own thing than carrying the weight and expectation of the entire world—particularly 40-somethings like me who live and die with each new bit of information about Star Wars.” https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/20 ... -star-wars
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Shack
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
MadGez wrote: Speaking of Bigelow - can you imagine Disney convincing Cameron to direct a SW movie? Not that far fetched considering he’s kind of “in-house” now. Yea if they got Cameron to do Star Wars he would definitely be coming for #1 all time again
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Chippy
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Magnus wrote: Kennedy is 100% the biggest culprit. She should lose her job. She made the Lucasfilm buyout profitable in... almost immediately. Almost entirely because of her.
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Chippy
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
The reason the movie went wrong is because they brought JJ back and rushed it. That's it. Almost all of the faults with the film are because they rushed it and didn't actually take the time to finish the story in a way that made sense.
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Rev
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Chippy wrote: The reason the movie went wrong is because they brought JJ back and rushed it. That's it. Almost all of the faults with the film are because they rushed it and didn't actually take the time to finish the story in a way that made sense. and Bad Robot & Lucasfilm (story group) production problems. Lack of team work. So say rumors lol
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Moviebuf
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Chippy wrote: Magnus wrote: Kennedy is 100% the biggest culprit. She should lose her job. She made the Lucasfilm buyout profitable in... almost immediately. Almost entirely because of her. Where do you get off saying things like this. It was always going to be profitable "Almost entirely because of her" what the heck man.
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Chippy
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
You're right, if Lucas was behind TFA, it would've also been the highest grossing movie of all time!
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Moviebuf
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Chippy wrote: You're right, if Lucas was behind TFA, it would've also been the highest grossing movie of all time! Stop shifting. Bringing back the old cast is a move ANYONE can make. It isn't special. And considering how unspecial and crappy the actual story was for these movies, the first movie being hyped in (at the time) the biggest movie franchise in history isn't something to write home about. Especially considering how in the gutter the franchise is currently because of her. ALMOST ENTIRELY BECAUSE OF HER....I know you love absolutism, but holy cow that is ridiculously ignorant statement.
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Chippy
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Ahh yes, the franchise is in the gutter when all 3 of these films are going to gross.... $550+ mil domestic.
Some galaxy level thinking you got there.
KK is a top 3 producer working. End of story.
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Moviebuf
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Chippy wrote: Ahh yes, the franchise is in the gutter when all 3 of these films are going to gross.... $550+ mil domestic.
Some galaxy level thinking you got there.
KK is a top 3 producer working. End of story. Yup, because context doesn't matter. TFA - 247 million opening, 936 million Dom, 2.07 billion WW TLJ - 220 million opening, 620 million Dom, 1.33 billion WW TRoS - 177 million opening, on pace for less than 500 million (maybe even 400) Dom, won't even crack 1 Billion WW Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the trend, and that doesn't even include the dumpster fire that is Solo (I will give credit where it is due that Rogue One is actually fantastic) She took the biggest movie franchise in the world, and undoubtedly left it where it no longer has claim to that title (Also because of MCU growing so quickly).
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Moviebuf
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Chippy wrote: Ahh yes, the franchise is in the gutter when all 3 of these films are going to gross.... $550+ mil domestic.
Some galaxy level thinking you got there.
KK is a top 3 producer working. End of story. Oh, and hate to break this to you. Rise of Skywalker will be lucky to get to 450 million nevertheless 550
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publicenemy#1
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Rise of Skywalker is still pacing for 500m+... it'll be near 400m before NYs. And a billion is happening still.
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Moviebuf
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
There is no way that RoS doubles its gross from this point. After New Years it will drop off completely.
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Rev
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Moviebuf wrote: Chippy wrote: Ahh yes, the franchise is in the gutter when all 3 of these films are going to gross.... $550+ mil domestic.
Some galaxy level thinking you got there.
KK is a top 3 producer working. End of story. Oh, and hate to break this to you. Rise of Skywalker will be lucky to get to 450 million nevertheless 550 It'll be at around 380m by end of it's 2nd weekend domestically. Just saying. Also put some respect on KK's name.
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Chippy
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Moviebuf wrote: Chippy wrote: Ahh yes, the franchise is in the gutter when all 3 of these films are going to gross.... $550+ mil domestic.
Some galaxy level thinking you got there.
KK is a top 3 producer working. End of story. Yup, because context doesn't matter. TFA - 247 million opening, 936 million Dom, 2.07 billion WW TLJ - 220 million opening, 620 million Dom, 1.33 billion WW TRoS - 177 million opening, on pace for less than 500 million (maybe even 400) Dom, won't even crack 1 Billion WW Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the trend, and that doesn't even include the dumpster fire that is Solo (I will give credit where it is due that Rogue One is actually fantastic) She took the biggest movie franchise in the world, and undoubtedly left it where it no longer has claim to that title (Also because of MCU growing so quickly). Star Wars is still bigger domestically than the MCU, outside of Avengers (which is now over). She's not perfect. I disagree with a few of her big decisions, and it has cost the Star Wars brand. But she's still running the ship. And overall, she's made it the success it is currently.
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Moviebuf
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Chippy wrote: Moviebuf wrote: Chippy wrote: Ahh yes, the franchise is in the gutter when all 3 of these films are going to gross.... $550+ mil domestic.
Some galaxy level thinking you got there.
KK is a top 3 producer working. End of story. Yup, because context doesn't matter. TFA - 247 million opening, 936 million Dom, 2.07 billion WW TLJ - 220 million opening, 620 million Dom, 1.33 billion WW TRoS - 177 million opening, on pace for less than 500 million (maybe even 400) Dom, won't even crack 1 Billion WW Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the trend, and that doesn't even include the dumpster fire that is Solo (I will give credit where it is due that Rogue One is actually fantastic) She took the biggest movie franchise in the world, and undoubtedly left it where it no longer has claim to that title (Also because of MCU growing so quickly). Star Wars is still bigger domestically than the MCU, outside of Avengers (which is now over). She's not perfect. I disagree with a few of her big decisions, and it has cost the Star Wars brand. But she's still running the ship. And overall, she's made it the success it is currently. No...Star Wars is the success it is because of the original trilogy. Not because of anything she has done or added to the franchise. You are confusing "being in charge" with "being responsible" She didn't create Star Wars, and she added absolutely nothing to it aside from the vision of releases every year (which I think we can both agree was a monumental mistake). And you can't just 1) ignore WW totals, 2) ignore the domestic totals of the biggest MCU property (the avengers). The MCU is the current crown holder for biggest movie franchise. The RoS highlights it better than I could. The MCU had their franchise "finale" and it broke box office records. Star Wars had their franchise "finale" and it dropped precipitously from previous movies.
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Moviebuf
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Chippy wrote: outside of Avengers (which is now over). I wanted a separate one for this. Why do you think Avenger is "now over?"
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Chippy
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
It's going to be almost impossible for Marvel to recapture what they had with the original trio of RDJ/Evans/Hemsworth. They struck gold with RDJ, enough so that every movie he was in was a SMASH.
I just can't see that type of consistency happening again.
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Moviebuf
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong?
Chippy wrote: It's going to be almost impossible for Marvel to recapture what they had with the original trio of RDJ/Evans/Hemsworth. They struck gold with RDJ, enough so that every movie he was in was a SMASH.
I just can't see that type of consistency happening again. You may be right, but with the addition of the Fox properties (specifically mutants and the X-Men), there are going to be plenty of MCU event movies with Avengers. Avengers v X-Men is the lowest hanging fruit, but that is the thing about Marvel, they have 60 years worth of material to pull from. Considering what they have done with Guardians, Dr Strange and Black Panther, I think they will be fine from leading character standpoint.
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