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I might've believed this whole apologizing Snyder thing if it wasn't for the fact that he is yet to release even a decent movie. On the other hand Whedon, WB and all other parties involved actually do have previous merits that work in their favor. So I'll continue to think Snyder is where all the rot came from.


Regardless of your personal opinions of Snyder's films, Dawn of Dead was very much a profitable film. 300 was an extremely profitable film. Watchmen and Sucker Punch were both financial losses, and Man of Steel made a small profit all in all. Legend of the Guardians I think in the end was a breakeven film. Batman vs Superman also made a small profit. So looking at Snyder's filmography, the majority of his films have been profitable. Watchmen and Sucker Punch were the only two clear financial losses.

But hey, feel free to keep ignoring the elephant in the room, which is the disastrous executive changes that have occurred at WB over the last 4-5 years, including the ousting of some very talented veteran executives, and the fraying of some professional relationships like the falling out between WB and Legendary Pictures. WB executives directly interfered with David Ayer during production of Suicide Squad. The film ended up profitable, but it tremendously harmed WB's relationship with David Ayer. So are you going to blame Snyder for all of these things too?

Are you also going to blame Snyder for coming up with the story for Wonder Woman, and helping guide that films' production? Oh wait...Wonder Woman was a big financial success. So it's going to be hard to blame Snyder for that.

No, the true "rot" here is WB itself, and the incompetent executives now in charge.

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I think the success of Wonder Woman is pretty clear evidence that it's mostly Snyder fault. It's WB fault for hiring him and continuing to have him in charge.


Guess it's Snyder's fault for coming up with the story for the Wonder Woman film too :wacko:.

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I’m Team Blame Warner Bros. Every single film (Wonder Woman excepted, barely) has felt like a course correction instead of the kind of tonally confident film that makes the most sense for the property being adapted. Suicide Squad was legit one of the worst movies I’ve seen in theaters largely because it felt overproduced to death. Blaming directors as singularly responsoble for a flop is a classic way for studios to weaponize auteur theory to avoid taking any culpability for making shitty, rushed, and unfocused movies. Anyone think that Green Lantern was Martin Campbell’s fault? Maybe Snyder should have pushed back on the studio more but thatguy has it right that Warner Bros rushed this multiverse and has made films that feel undercooked and overstuffed.


Bingo. The true irony is that WB previously was famous for giving directors tons of creative freedom, and giving auteurs a chance to truly shine without interfering in the filmmaking process. Virtually all other big name studios over the years did not nearly give the same creative freedoms.

Now since the big executive shuffle a few years ago at WB, the studio has become a mess. Having WB's CEO now directly interfere in the production process of films, among other things, goes against the time honored philosophy that WB previously had.

So now, these new breed of WB executives feel very much convinced that they need to directly interfere in the filmmaking process. This inevitably leads to disaster. The only exceptions are big name legends like Clint Eastwood and Chris Nolan, where WB executives wouldn't dare interfere in their films.

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Exec interference made Cary Fukunaga ditch It and I heard that was because they wanted to stuff it with more scares so I don’t know if it’s always a bad thing but the DCEU movies feel chopped to death. That’s why 8’m not making any immediate land to see Justice League even though I have MoviePass.


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Exec interference made Cary Fukunaga ditch It and I heard that was because they wanted to stuff it with more scares so I don’t know if it’s always a bad thing but the DCEU movies feel chopped to death. That’s why 8’m not making any immediate land to see Justice League even though I have MoviePass.


Exceptions will happen but as a film buff, if you look at film history, direct studio interference almost always leads to problems.

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One of the biggest problems is that in a multiverse you need to keep a level of consistent quality that builds trust. This performance proves that Batman v Superman being shitty didn’t just hurt it’s legs but poisoned the entire well. Wonder Woman did as well as it did because reviews were exceptional, and as a one off can be seen by folks who did not suffer through BvS. As long as reviews continue to indicate turgid films people will keep staying away.


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I agree that WB is at major fault here but its not like editing is the only problem with DCEU films.

I think the look and feel of a Synder film doesn't fit well with critics and most likely casual audience plus are you seriously telling me that the director's cut of BvS was going to get fresh critical response? Man of Steel has Nolan for writing credits and I don't think WB was interfering back then and it ended up being rotten and barely making profit.

And Snyder is/was not a small name, IF he REALLY wanted he could have prevented from studio interventions that's also part of being a director I guess/hope. There is a big fault of Snyder being left in control as well. You can come-up with an idea of a movie but WW didn't have Snyder in its credits, also it was also a movie with troubled production.

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ZS has a producer and a story credit on Wonder Woman.

I think that as a director he was a poor fit less because of his stylized visuals and more because he isn’t great at getting good lone readings from his actors. That’s why I initially thought Joss Whedon was actually a smart choice to bring on board.

That said studio interference happens all the time to big name directors who have a lot more sway.


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MovieDude wrote:
One of the biggest problems is that in a multiverse you need to keep a level of consistent quality that builds trust. This performance proves that Batman v Superman being shitty didn’t just hurt it’s legs but poisoned the entire well. Wonder Woman did as well as it did because reviews were exceptional, and as a one off can be seen by folks who did not suffer through BvS. As long as reviews continue to indicate turgid films people will keep staying away.


Too many cooks in the kitchen as the saying goes. WB does not have a single creative leader shepherding the entire DC film universe like Disney/Marvel has. Some say that Geoff Johns now has that responsibility along with one other executive at WB. Even if true, that means two people are responsible, not one, which again goes back to too many cooks in the kitchen. All of this is also moot given that Kevin Tsujihara has final say on a lot of things and likes to directly interfere.

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Hahaha. That’s awesome but unsurprising. I was right(not crazy or trolling), for saying that they should have waited and rebooted. WW was worth making as a film itself, but that’s how these movies need to stand now.

When magnus said it would be one of the least hyped mega openings ever, all I could think was, “haven’t we heard that before, with matrix revolutions and others?”

If you want to see WW you can wait for the sequel. You don’t need this.


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