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1924
Indiana Jones IV
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is the Pirates franchise dead now?
it is still doing well overseas but has fallen off domestically
I would like at least one more film with a proper reunion with the main three characters. Also getting Gore Verbinski back would be a good idea
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Sun May 28, 2017 1:47 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
Its doing well in OS markets and that's what is important. Alice 2 is what would be considered "dead". Pirates with a great movie can still rebound back in States.
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Sun May 28, 2017 1:57 pm |
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Biggestgeekever
I heet the canadian!
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
Disney has got to rein in the budget on these things. Even the reported $230M for Pirates 5 is way too much for a film that's looking to gross $750-800M WW, 75% of that overseas.
How much power does Depp even have to demand an enormous paycheck when he's in financial trouble
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Sun May 28, 2017 2:17 pm |
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zwackerm
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
I think Pirates 6, if they make it, should focus on Will and Elizabeth and Depp should either not appear or have a small part.
I think that the franchise must have met its floor with this one. The audience going to see them at this point does not care about reviews.I think a 6th could do on par with this one.
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Sun May 28, 2017 2:30 pm |
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_axiom
The Wall
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
LOL @ this thread. 6 is happening.
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Barrabás
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
They seem incapable of keeping the budgets for these at less than $250m so probably, yeah. Another one would probably take 5+ years to get made and inevitably decrease once again, and at that point it may be a financial risk for Disney. They have so many other big franchises that they don't have to care anymore.
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Sun May 28, 2017 2:53 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
zwackerm wrote: I think Pirates 6, if they make it, should focus on Will and Elizabeth and Depp should either not appear or have a small part.
I think that the franchise must have met its floor with this one. The audience going to see them at this point does not care about reviews.I think a 6th could do on par with this one. A Pirates movie without Sparrow? Atrocious!! It will flop big time in OS markets.
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Sun May 28, 2017 2:55 pm |
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1924
Indiana Jones IV
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
_axiom wrote: LOL @ this thread. 6 is happening. I want a 6. But I wonder if it will still happen
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Sun May 28, 2017 3:46 pm |
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publicenemy#1
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
If this one does at least 700m WW they should do a last film with the original trio.
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Sun May 28, 2017 5:29 pm |
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Rev
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
Depends what it's international gross ends up being
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Sun May 28, 2017 7:51 pm |
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Algren
now we know
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
1924 wrote: it is still doing well overseas Your first line debunks the entire thread.
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Sun May 28, 2017 8:46 pm |
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Keyser Söze
Quality is a great business plan
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
There was some polling where 40% of audience came for sparrow. This was domestic. Without depp it will bomb OS for sure. I heard horrible stuff about bloom in Pirates 5 as well. But getting back Keira in a non trivial role should help.
Pirates 6 will happen for sure and will continue to drop. There is no way they can make a "great" Pirates movie again. 1st film was a perfect storm that cannot happen again.
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Sun May 28, 2017 9:31 pm |
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Shack
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
It could go either way. It's telling it took them 6 years to do this one despite On Stranger Tides making 1 billion WW. But getting Bloom back would help.
Is there any way they can come up with a Pirates plot, that like, barely involves ships and water and therefore doesn't get out of control budget wise. Like can you just make these characters searching for treasure on an island somewhere?
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Mon May 29, 2017 12:57 am |
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Jack Sparrow
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
The budget this time is fine. It needs to be seen if this will cross $1b WW and be profitable. If they keep the budget same as this one and generate enough interest for another installment and get it past $1b WW mark they can continue with this budget. Plus I feel the marketing on POTC5 wasn't exhaustive and expensive as the last few times.
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Mon May 29, 2017 2:24 am |
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David
Pure Phase
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
Not to hijack the thread (whistles, does so anyway), but a more interesting question: is the Ridley Scott's Alien-prequel franchise dead now? I wonder if there is any chance Covenant ekes it out overseas, and Fox lets Scott do one more to tie together David and the planet where Ripley's crew sees the space jockey.
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Mon May 29, 2017 3:48 am |
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Biggestgeekever
I heet the canadian!
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
David wrote: Not to hijack the thread (whistles, does so anyway), but a more interesting question: is the Ridley Scott's Alien-prequel franchise dead now? I wonder if there is any chance Covenant ekes it out overseas, and Fox lets Scott do one more to tie together David and the planet where Ripley's crew sees the space jockey. If Fox gives Ridley Scott another shot, it will probably be radically different than what he has in mind currently since 1) the budget will be lower and 2) prior to Covenant's release he suggested the next film would take place after Prometheus but before the new one. I can't believe that Fox will greenlight that idea now.
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Mon May 29, 2017 4:07 am |
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1924
Indiana Jones IV
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
Jack Sparrow wrote: The budget this time is fine. It needs to be seen if this will cross $1b WW and be profitable. If they keep the budget same as this one and generate enough interest for another installment and get it past $1b WW mark they can continue with this budget. Plus I feel the marketing on POTC5 wasn't exhaustive and expensive as the last few times. I thought the marketing peaked with the Superbowl spot which caused the buzz to explode. The hype then died after that after the marketing went back to OST lite
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Mon May 29, 2017 12:16 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
Superbowl spot wasn't exactly great and I think the marketing never essentially peaked for this version.
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Mon May 29, 2017 2:31 pm |
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publicenemy#1
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
http://deadline.com/2017/05/pirates-of- ... 202104307/These #s will be way different with actual figures as opposed to random estimates, but if Pirates makes a 200m+ profit when it's all said and done... we're getting Pirates 6.
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Wed May 31, 2017 6:50 pm |
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
The franchise is just starting to see drops globally. It is not dead yet. They can squeeze more profit from one or two more sequels.
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Wed May 31, 2017 8:28 pm |
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1924
Indiana Jones IV
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
The end confirmed? This new now playing tv spot calls it "the epic finale of the Pirates saga" https://www.instagram.com/p/BUveHOxFBJQ/?hl=en
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Wed May 31, 2017 10:51 pm |
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Algren
now we know
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
That means nothing. If it makes money, they'll make another or a spin-off or a reboot. Nothing this big gets cancelled forever unless it makes sub-$100m.
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Wed May 31, 2017 11:14 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
As I mentioned elsewhere it was marketed here as the Final adventure for the series but it could easily change if this version comes close to $900m WW mark.
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Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:21 am |
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Algren
now we know
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
Even $800m or $700m would get another made. It sells tons of merchandise and the ride probably benefits from each installment too.
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Jack Sparrow
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Re: is the Pirates franchise dead now?
I might think twice for that $700m total. The whole process of shooting in sea takes a lot of effort which is why I believe they make them slower than usual blockbusters.
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