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 Dunkirk 225m+ Club - THE DREAM IS DEAD 
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Same total as Interstellar. It seems $180-$190m is the ceiling for Nolan's "popcorn entertainment for intellectuals" type films. Inception managed to break out thanks to its concept.

...and Leonardo DiCaprio.

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Post Re: Dunkirk 225m+ Club - THE DREAM IS DEAD
This was some tough subject matter for the film to have incredible legs. Likewise, Interstellar was a hard sci-fi film which given the subject matter also made it really hard to have incredible legs. Given the subject matter of these last 2 films, the legs have still been great.

Now I will also say after having finally watched it a second time, what a difference a second viewing made for me. My full review is now in the review forum.

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more I think about it, the more I realize just how bad Dunkirk's legs were. It held on to the premium format for a while, had a completely empty box-office for weeks, and appealed to a older demo. A sub-3.75 multiplier, even after a 50m OW, is pathetic given the conditions.

Justice League ruined this films potential because this would have been perfectly slotted in mid-November to get a massive holiday/award season boost in December/January that would carry its legs well over 4.0+.


I must respectfully disagree. Much of the general audience finds historical war films boring. Statistically, this is especially true for the under 25/35 audience. Anecdotally, both times I saw Dunkirk, there were almost zero young people at my shows. Most of the audience was middle aged people, with quite a few seniors as well. In fact, I've previously never seen so many seniors at a Nolan film before. Even as a Nolan fan, personally Dunkirk's subject matter is by far the most boring to me out of his entire filmography. Not only that, Dunkirk is a war film without balls out action, and focused almost exclusively on British soldiers, further narrowing its broad audience appeal.

Even Interstellar's subject matter was much more interesting personally. With that said, Interstellar was released in that prime November slot for long legs, had those strong emotional hooks in the 3rd act, had McConaughey as a lead, yet 'only' managed a 3.95x multiplier.

Dunkirk is going to manage around a 3.7-3.75x or so multiplier.

I contend this is still really good. Nolan continues his famous streak. In his entire filmography, all of his films except The Dark Knight Rises have managed a multiplier of *at least* 3x.

Nolan aka 'Mr. Multiplier' continues his streak. We all know The Dark Knight Rises had a freak incident affect its run, so the box office run of Rises will always have an asterisk. If that freak incident had never occurred, Rises would have almost guaranteed achieved at least a 3x multiplier.

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Yeah, its performance has been remarkable. No other director could pull off such a feat with a creatively delivered war movie with no stars.

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Nolan needs to helm something with popular source material behind it again. I was hoping he'd be the Episode 9 director. internet would break. truly.

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He doesn't, but Bond will probably always be there on the table for him if he wants it.

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Nolan needs to helm something with popular source material behind it again. I was hoping he'd be the Episode 9 director. internet would break. truly.


Why in the world would he want that?

This is also one of the most annoying thing about geeks. "You're an interesting filmmaker who excels at original work - please attach yourself to Part 11 of this movie series!"


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The performance has been very good. Especially considering word of mouth isn't really out of this world.

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Nolan needs to helm something with popular source material behind it again. I was hoping he'd be the Episode 9 director. internet would break. truly.


Why in the world would he want that?

This is also one of the most annoying thing about geeks. "You're an interesting filmmaker who excels at original work - please attach yourself to Part 11 of this movie series!"


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Yeah, I think Nolan should stick with the big budget original projects as long as WB keeps funding them.


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Nolan needs to helm something with popular source material behind it again.

I hear Nolan's up for consideration for the job of directing Mike Judge's upcoming live action King of the Hill feature film.


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He should be making an Inception sequel next...

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He did mystery thriller, then mystery thriller, then superhero films, then psychological sci-fi thriller, then pure science fiction, then war movie...I mean, what's next? I'd love to see his take on a straight up, original action film.

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Post Re: Dunkirk 225m+ Club - THE DREAM IS DEAD
Maybe its groupthink causing people to all jump off the bandwagon?


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This should close very close to $195m and might get a slight push during Awards season so it could still reach $200m but that is the MAX it will do now.


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It's normal for hype to make people grade films higher around release. But Dunkirk didn't ever have that Inception or The Dark Knight level of popularity, so the buzz faded much faster, and viewers of it now are not as wow-ed by it. Makes total sense to me. But it still is in the IMDB Top 100, which Valerian is not, so I don't know what tree is trying to prove here.

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Nolan is the height of fashion at the moment, space opera is currently highly uncool.


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Wonderful. Hope it reaches $200m, but really the re-release is just for awards attention.


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Yeah it won't do much in the re-release but it should get a few awards.


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Wonderful. Hope it reaches $200m, but really the re-release is just for awards attention.


If I were WB right now I would be praying for Nolan to remain at the studio and also not to do anything stupid that would push Nolan away from WB. At this point, Nolan is one of the only consistently profitable directors at WB.

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^ You make it sound like Nolan is solely working for WB which I would like to correct here. The rest of your point kinda applies for almost all studios IMO, they should try to keep their directors happy as well.


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^ You make it sound like Nolan is solely working for WB which I would like to correct here. The rest of your point kinda applies for almost all studios IMO, they should try to keep their directors happy as well.


Come on, for the last 12 years Nolan has almost exclusively worked with WB on all his feature length films. Interstellar was an exception, but even then it ended up as a collaboration between Paramount and WB.

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I think he has a pull with WB and back and forth but WB for their lives could not make Nolan make DCEU movies if they wanted to.


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