FOUR movies inside the Top 30 highest grossing movies ever!!
I never used BOM like this until today. But that is staggering. At that point, his most recent, Rambo First Blood Part II, made $150m and featured at #18. The eighteenth biggest movie ever made???!
Let me remind you, this is not in the Top 18 of the year...it's in the Top 18 of all-time!
To put that in perspective, nowadays a film would need to outgross Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen at $402m to get that high, and to have four movies all above Alice in Wonderland at $334m..just wow.
At the start of 1982, he had Rocky sitting at #15 on the all-time list, and Rocky II sitting at #28, then at the start of 1983, he had Rocky III sitting at #16 and Rocky at #19. Not to mention Rocky II at #34.
I don't think anyone has been so heavily featured in the all-time top-grossing movies ever list as Stallone has, apart from George Lucas and Steven Spielberg. But for stars, not directors, he's surely #1.
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:33 pm
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
Yes he was huge and I don't think any true box-office-follower forgets.
Harrison Ford six times in the TOP 15! Four times in the TOP 10!
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
I understand that Ford is in the Top 10 four times, but I don't think it's the same. I mean, it was Star Wars that got him there, not his own star power. Indiana Jones is all Ford, I admit. Rocky and Rambo are 100% Stallone. Let's not make this a Ford versus Stallone thread.
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
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I understand that Ford is in the Top 10 four times, but I don't think it's the same. I mean, it was Star Wars that got him there, not his own star power. Indiana Jones is all Ford, I admit. Rocky and Rambo are 100% Stallone. Let's not make this a Ford versus Stallone thread.
Well, you named a stat and I named one to counter yours. I get what you're sayingm, but then the first Rocky shouldn't count towards Stallone either. He was a nobody then. The film was successful on its own strengths, making him a star but he wasn't a draw.
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
WORLDWIDE As of March, 1986.
1 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial $757,604,539 2 Star Wars $637,140,142 3 Jaws $470,653,000 4 The Empire Strikes Back $470,574,266 5 Return of the Jedi $429,635,740 6 The Exorcist $401,400,000 7 Gone with the Wind $391,023,031 8 Raiders of the Lost Ark Par. $384,140,454 9 Back to the Future $381,109,762 10 Grease $366,178,870 11 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom $333,107,271 12 Beverly Hills Cop $316,360,478 13 Close Encounters of the Third Kind $303,788,635 14 Rocky IV $300,473,716 15 Rambo: First Blood Part II $300,400,432 16 Superman $300,218,018 17 Ghostbusters Col. $282,242,989 18 Rocky III $250,049,125 19 The Godfather $245,066,411 20 Rocky $225,000,000 21 Rocky II $216,563,795 22 Tootsie $177,200,000* 23 The Sound of Music $158,671,368* 24 The Sting $156,000,000 25 Gremlins $153,083,102 26 National Lampoon's Animal House $141,600,000* 27 An Officer and a Gentleman $129,795,554* 28 Smokey and the Bandit $126,737,428* 29 Blazing Saddles $119,601,481* 30 On Golden Pond $119,285,432*
*no overseas data
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Algren wrote:
I understand that Ford is in the Top 10 four times, but I don't think it's the same. I mean, it was Star Wars that got him there, not his own star power. Indiana Jones is all Ford, I admit. Rocky and Rambo are 100% Stallone. Let's not make this a Ford versus Stallone thread.
Well, you named a stat and I named one to counter yours. I get what you're sayingm, but then the first Rocky shouldn't count towards Stallone either. He was a nobody then. The film was successful on its own strengths, making him a star but he wasn't a draw.
But he created Rocky. He wrote it. It's all his idea, so it's credited to him.
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But you are obviously talking about him being a draw here. He was not a draw then, I could also rightfully say that Ford's Han Solo was a big reason for Star Wars' success. I'll leave the conversaton at that.
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
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But you are obviously talking about him being a draw here. He was not a draw then, I could also rightfully say that Ford's Han Solo was a big reason for Star Wars' success. I'll leave the conversaton at that.
I know what you're saying. But did people go and see Star Wars for Ford? or the special effects and story? Was it the phenomenon it was because of Ford or the special effects? I think we both know the answer to that. Rocky was a success because of the story. Stallone created the story and played the lead. Ford did nothing for the special effects and story on Star Wars. He just played a character, which was likeable, but not phenomenon-likeable.
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
Han Solo wasn't a phenomenon-likable. Surely you jest.
Stallone had an amazing 1985. There is no doubt about it. But Ford, And the SNL alum films of Chase, Murphy, Murray, and Akyroyd, and even Tom Cruise by the 1986 on were bigger stars than Stallone.
Stallone unfortunately made some real shit in the 80s as well and didn't capitalize on his success.
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This all reminds me of Gervais's Golden Globes intro for Stallone three years ago:
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Tango & Cash should have become a franchsise.
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
Also I'd like to start off by saying Stallone in the mid 80s was a mega star.
But to be more comparative:
Harrison Ford: 10 Films in the 1980s (11 if you include his cameo in ET) 7 films adjust to 100 million, 5 over 300 million. Also had an Best Actor nomination, A Golden Globe, and all 10 films were critical hits. 10/10 Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes.
Eddie Murphy: 8 starring roles in the 1980s. All 8 adjust to 100 million, 5 over 200 million. 6/8 Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes.
Bill Murray: 8 Starring roles in the 1980s: 6 Adjust to 100 million, 4 adjust over 200 million. 5/8 Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes.
Sylvester Stallone: 13 films in the 1980s: 7 adjust to 100 million, 3 over 200 million. 4/13 fresh on Rotten Tomatoes
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
Lo and behold, Thegun ruins the thread with his Ford OCD. FYI, the thread is just about Stallone's success, no comparison.
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
You said no actors were comparable of the time period? How is that not a question up for debate. How can I ruin a thread with facts. And I have OCD, but your obsession with Stallone is normal?
Stallone squandered his success with a lot back then as well. Steroids controversy, penchant fore being very difficult to work with, not to mention Rhinestone considered one of the worst films ever; Rambo III ruining the franchise and disappointing, Over the Top and Lock Up bombing and flopping, and him ruining the success around Saturday Night Fever with his ill fated sequel. That's not to say that Stallone still isn't one of my favorite actors of all time. Stallone was huge, but Ford and Murphy owned the decade.
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
Stallone was huge but only with Rocky and Rambo. His movies outside of those were big but not HUGE. And yes everyone still remembers Stallone for those two series.
Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:37 am
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
1986 was a solid follow-up for Stallone. The R-rated, violent cop thriller, Cobra, grossed $160m worldwide, despite being banned in many countries and cut in many others.
In 1988, he reprised Rambo in Rambo III and took it to $190m worldwide.
In 1989, Tango & Cash, another R, took in $120m worldwide.
1993 was a great year for Stallone. He had Cliffhanger ($255m worldwide) and Demolition Man ($159m), totalling $414m worldwide.
1994 wasn't too shabby either. Only one movie: The Specialist with $170m worldwide.
1995 wasn't the best, but still strong: Assassins ($83m) and Judge Dredd ($113m) for $196m worldwide.
1996 was also another big year with Daylight at $160m worldwide.
1997 wasn't good with Cop Land, then 1998 went by with just Antz, then his demise began until 2006 with Rocky Balboa, which surprised and grossed a huge $155m worldwide.
That's one thing that often gets forgotten when looking at Stallone's grosses. They're mostly all R-rated action thrillers. It's quite amazing how so many R-rated films make almost nothing, but if Stallone is involved, they seem to do amazingly well, especially overseas.
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It's really nice that you believe that. The biggest problem with Stallone came in the 90s when most of his action thrillers cost way too much, and most failed (Judge Dredd, Assassin, and Daylight to begin with his downfall.) but to his credit, like Mike Douglas one of the strongest business men to still get so much salary, because TV rights use to cost 30-60 million per film like VOD today). Most R Rated thrillers peaked in the 90s, and most of Stallone's failed
I consider it really sad Stallone dropped off as well. What's even worst is the last two years have made it seemed he lost his international audience as well. It seems Schwarzenegger definitely helped more in Escape Plan then him himself. Outside of his franchises or with anyone else it really does seem like Stallone is done. He needs to start doing supporting work to really bring himself back
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
Well you're just one big bundle of joy, aren't ya?
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
Daylight did not fail, you fool. Neither did Assassins and Judge Dredd. For a guy that always has an opinion on box office of the past, you really know nothing about movie finances.
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
Assassins is one of my "most underrated films" but definitely underperformed, and Judge Dredd completely disappointed. Even Stallone has quoted on the film's disappointed.
I am not disquoting the fact that I enjoyed Daylight, it was not a hit. Daylight outside of Dem, Clif, Spec, and Copland, were only his hits of the 90s
The point is Stallone was the first international star of Boxoffice. And that is the reason he stayed alive as much as he has. Haven't you ever read his thoughts. 85-98 was the worst time in his life. Stallone is the one of the most inspirational people in the history of film. That changes nothing. But he did have a serious darkside to overcome and that's the reason people like him more today than everything. I'm not doubting a single thing you are saying. At the time when he was the highest paid actor even though his films were averaging less than 40 in the US. At anything you could commend Stallone for actually bringing about the foreign Box Office when it wasn't around yet, and that is how he stayed afloat
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
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I am not disquoting the fact that I enjoyed Daylight, it was not a hit
$160m worldwide in 1996 is not considered a hit? Get the fuck out of here.
It made tons on video rentals, not to mention that it was already in the black before that stage. It was an international hit, end of. The box office is not confined to the United States of Yankee-Doodle-Do America, ya' know?
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
I said it was one of his, so I'm not sure what you are arguing. Please read my last post. TV rights and what not saved the film, but it did not make a dime theatrically. In fact it is the last big film Stallone attempted for almost 5 years because of. Ironically it was the time when Stallone claimed his arms (more importantly the veins in his arms were causing so much discomfort) I was pissed as well
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
In March 1986, Rambo First Blood Part II stayed at #1 US VHS Rentals chart for 6 weeks, and it stayed in the Top Ten for 15 weeks on the US VHS Sales chart.
It was not only a box office phenomenon, but a home video one too. It was pre-bought by retailers at a huge $79.95 per cassette, which was a record at the time. It made $34m for Thorm-EMI before it was even released to the public.
Just amazing numbers.
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
Live and Let Die still holds the record for UK TV viewers on a film in the UK. Doesn't really mean much. Just a fantastic moment for the time when technology was what it was and could be recorded.
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Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
You've seriously got a problem, Thegun. You just want to keep defying any success that Stallone has. I post a random fact that suggest Stallone was huge and you post some shit about Live and Let Die on UK TV? What the fuck are you doing? If you don't have anything to contribute to the Stallone thread, just fuck off and get some sleep, moron.
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