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And you know what film did it?

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And you know what film did it?

Well, my gran was a big Stallone fan, and I spent a lot of time at her house. Plus, my uncle was still living with her and he had the Rambo III video, so we wanted to watch that. It was an '18' and I was only young, but the cover alone made it look awesome (he used to let us watch Predator, but stopped it when anything gory happened). My gran had a big Cobra poster on her bedroom wall. She was the best gran ever. Also, my auntie used to have all the Rocky's on VHS (taped off the TV), and this was back when films were not so easily attainable (Rambo: First Blood Part II, for example, was considered a "deleted" title). My gran had been a follower of Stallone right back to when she first saw him in Rocky. But what really turned her into a fan was when she saw First Blood. We have talked for many hours about the films she went to see and where to, the culture surrounding it etc. It was great. I love talking about old cinema and box office.

All of these things sparked my interest in Stallone.

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I was looking over the French box office of 1994 and Stallone had two #1 films; Demolition Man and The Specialist. They both opened to such similar grosses, The Specialist slightly more.

Assassins, a year later, opened at #4. Cliffhanger, a year earlier, didn't feature at #1 because of Germinal, but it opened much higher than The Specialist at #2 and stayed in the Top 4 for 6 weeks.

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When Rambo First Blood Part II opened in France, its first week had 5,400 people attend each screen. Considering back in 1985 they only had showings in the evenings, pretty impressive.

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What I'll never understand is how Rhinestone cost $28m to produce. Stallone got $4m, Dolly got $2m. Where does the other $22m go? I know that it had a change of director, which probably halted production and may have cost a bit, but still $22m is huge for the type of film it was. And it's listed as having a "production budget" of $28m, so there were no marketing, prints, advertising added in to that figure. It was made with a largely unknown countryside cast.

20th Century Fox, coming off the mega success of The Return of the Jedi and The Empire Strikes Back (among others) just seemed to be throwing money at everything. I admit that a Stallone and Dolly collaboration may have seemed like a good idea (but surely not a comedy musical), but still, $28m should never, ever, ever have been approved for this movie. There is literally nothing to spend it on besides the two stars.

No wonder it made a loss. Such an enormous budget for it...it was never going to break even. It grossed $21m in the US, which actually by today's standards is pretty impressive, but back in 1984 the overseas box office wasn't as beneficial as it is today.

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When Rambo First Blood Part II opened, its CinemaScore was "A", and half of its viewers were male and under 25.

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Slightly OT but a Rocky related anecdote from my childhood you may find amusing Algren.

1983 and we had a school excursion to the movies (I was only 5 years old) and that morning my mum told me we were going to watch Rocky (as in Rocky III). I couldn't be happier. I excitedly told all the kids at school that we were going to see Rocky and a few of them shot me down straightaway. It turned out we were going to watch the Aussie dog movie "Dusty". I was totally bummed and had a miserable time.

My mum had confused Rocky with Dusty and the fact that the older school kids were actually going to watch Rocky III. Not bad for 10 and 11 year olds going to watch Rocky come to think of it.

I would see the film a few years later on VHS. Then Rocky IV was probably my favourite movie as a 10 year old. Also loved III because of Hulk Hogan (as a mad WWF fan) and Mr T (loved The A Team).

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Haha. Awesome. I really did enjoy that. Cheers.

I remember when I was younger (a much more gullible Algren) my uncle would ask me (knowing I was a Rocky and Stallone nut) "But have you seen Rocky Ivy?". I would be like "What, no, I've not even heard of it. What's it about?". He would reply "It's the Rocky movie where he faces a person called Ivy". He got me a few times on this before my gran (bless her) let me in on it (Ivy = IV). The bugger was fooling me and using Rocky IV, and I walked straight into a few times.

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Ah the good ol roman numerals. Cool trick by your uncle and really makes for great memories!

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I remember Assassins being a big disappointment BO wise because I thought it would be big (Stallone + Banderas who's star was rising). However, adjusted the $58m doesn't seem so bad (I mean its like Black Mass for example and that film's gross is seen as solid).

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Yeah, and I guess Stallone's image at that point was kind of similar to Depp's now.

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Post Re: Stallone was a mega box office star
Stallone's salaries:

The Party at Kitty & Studs $200
Klute
Bananas
No Place to Hide
The Lords of Flatbush $2,000
Prisoner of Second Avenue
Capone
Farewell, My Lovely
Death Race 2000 $5,000
Rocky $23,000
Carquake
F.I.S.T.
Paradise Alley
Rocky II $2,000,000
Nighthawks
Escape to Victory
Rocky III $5,000,000
First Blood $3,500,000
Staying Alive $1,000,000
Rhinestone $4,000,000
Rambo: First Blood Part II $15,000,000
Rocky IV $15,000,000
Cobra $12,000,000
Over the Top $12,000,000
Rambo III $16,000,000
Lock Up $15,000,000
Tango & Cash $15,000,000
Rocky V $20,000,000
Oscar $15,000,000
Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot
Cliffhanger $15,000,000
Demolition Man $15,000,000
The Specialist $15,000,000
Judge Dredd $20,000,000
Assassins $20,000,000
Daylight $17,500,000
Copland $60,000
Burn Hollywood Burn
Antz
Get Carter $20,000,000
Driven $20,000,000
Avenging Angelo
D-Tox $17,500,000
Spy Kids 3D: Gameover
Taxi 3
Shade
The Contender (16 Episodes) $2,000,000 per episode
Rocky Balboa
Rambo

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Now what will happen is Thegun will claim these are all incorrect. ;)

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Algren wrote:
Judge Dredd $20,000,000
Assassins $20,000,000
Daylight $17,500,000
Get Carter $20,000,000
Driven $20,000,000
D-Tox $17,500,000


Domestic totals:
Judge Dredd $34,693,481
Assassins $30,303,072
Daylight $33,023,469
Get Carter $14,967,182
Driven $32,720,065
D-Tox $79,161

He certainly brought them eyeballs to the theaters. Paycheck well earned!


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At that time, Stallone a huge video rental attraction. He earned his salaries...which is why he kept getting those inflated salaries, time and time again.

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studios make all their money via video rentals

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Get Carter $20,000,000
Driven $20,000,000
D-Tox $17,500,000


This is absolutely infrickingcredible.

Even with video rentals, they all got very box office results.

Was there anyone else aside from Schwarzenegger getting that kind of money in the early 2000s?


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studios make all their money via video rentals

Can't wait when they finally abandon useless theaters.


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Algren wrote:
Get Carter $20,000,000
Driven $20,000,000
D-Tox $17,500,000


This is absolutely infrickingcredible.

Even with video rentals, they all got very box office results.

Was there anyone else aside from Schwarzenegger getting that kind of money in the early 2000s?


Arnold, Ford, Gibson, Douglas, Cruise, and Hanks. I remember Ford had the biggest salary of all time at 25 million for 12 days of work on K19. Then Arnold beat it at 30 million for T3. While other actors have been paid more through gross %.

To Algren's point, most of those sound right. He made a lot more than 23,000 for the first Rocky though, that may have been just his acting contract. I mean he was offered like 250k just for the script.

I think Expendables he got 7.5 million, 10 for part 2 and 15 for Expendables 3. even though his output was less bankable then the others, his films did great OS and had high video rentals as well as TV deals. Getting paid 17.5 million for a film that only made 50,000 in theaters is probably the most ridiculous thing ever.

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He did earn more for Rocky, but his initial salary was just $23,000 because they let him play the lead. That was the sacrifice. But as it did tremendously well, he eventually earned more.

I've never seen his salaries for The Expendables trilogy anywhere official so I'll take those with a pinch of salt.

And yeah, Arnie's deal (not just his salary) for Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines was absolutely incredible. He came away with about $60m in total.

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Some other big ones that people made at least 60 million.

Nicholson- Batman
Ford- Indy 4
Cruise- Mission Impossible (And 100+ For MI2 and WOTW)
Hanks- Forrest Gump
Bullock- Gravity
Apart from Cruise, Willis for 6th Sense and Smith for MIB3 earned 100+
Keanu Reeves made over 75 per Matrix sequel

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How far Stallone films got up the all-time domestic chart is just insane, and truly shows how big his films were:

Rocky got to #9 on the all-time in 1977. Modern-day equivalent: The Dark Knight
Left the Top 100: July 1997
Duration: 20 years


Rocky II got to #30 in 1979. MDE: Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
Left the Top 100: July 1993
Duration: 14 years


Rocky III got to #16 in 1982. MDE: The Dark Knight Rises
Left the Top 100: December 1998
Duration: 16 years


Staying Alive got to #79 in 1983. MDE: The Sixth Sense
Left the Top 100: March 1986
Duration: 3 years


Rambo: First Blood Part II got to #17 in 1985. MDE: Shrek 2
Left the Top 100: November 2002
Duration: 17 years


Rocky IV got to #24 in 1986. MDE: Iron Man 3
Left the Top 100: July 1999
Duration: 13 years


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Looking at that list in Algren's original post is interesting. Some ones that stood out

On Golden Pond - 19th all time, 371 mil adjusted. Terms of Endearment is also huge at 36th all time and 301 mil adjusted, although winning Best Picture helped. These types of films would be lucky to make 50 mil today?

Porky's - 34th all time, 345 mil adjusted. I would have guessed this was an American Pie like success, but it was way, way bigger

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Yes he was huge and I don't think any true box-office-follower forgets.

But as to your other stat:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/do ... -01&p=.htm

Harrison Ford six times in the TOP 15! Four times in the TOP 10!



Seven if that cameo in ET had made it to the final cut.

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