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Chippy
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 Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? O wrote: Happy Feet 2's dismal performance was a lot of things, too much time elapsed, marketing.
But the biggest I feel is all around terrible release date. 5 family films opened in 5 weeks in Oct/Nov 2011. Puss In Boots, Hugo, Happy Feet, Arthur Christmas, and Happy Feet. Some of the worst movie scheduling I can recall in the past few years. Well there's the problem right there! _________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Thegun
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Algren wrote: Empire Strikes Back.
I mean, wasn't Star Wars the big 70s phenomenon that everybody loved and made $307m? and then the sequel to it made a measly $209m.
I understand that Star Wars didn't make $307m in one run, but neither did Empire make $209 in one run. There were loads of reissues and expansions to get it there. But still much less in gross.
I think this would qualify as disappointing. But The Return of the Jedi did surprisingly well. True, but that was more norm of sequels pre 95. Godfather 2, Superman II, Exorcist, Rocky, Indy they all never got to the heights of the original. I can't really get too upset when a much darker sequel becomes the 3rd biggest film of all time. Especially if you overlook Jaws 2. That barely did 25% admissions of the first one, despite having the opening weekend record. _________________ Chippy wrote: As always, fuck Thegun. Chippy wrote: I want to live vicariously through you, Thegun!
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O
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Chippy wrote: O wrote: Happy Feet 2's dismal performance was a lot of things, too much time elapsed, marketing.
But the biggest I feel is all around terrible release date. 5 family films opened in 5 weeks in Oct/Nov 2011. Puss In Boots, Hugo, Happy Feet, Arthur Christmas, and Happy Feet. Some of the worst movie scheduling I can recall in the past few years. Well there's the problem right there! Yup!  Happy Feet also known as "The Muppets Movie."
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Algren
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Thegun wrote: Algren wrote: Empire Strikes Back.
I mean, wasn't Star Wars the big 70s phenomenon that everybody loved and made $307m? and then the sequel to it made a measly $209m.
I understand that Star Wars didn't make $307m in one run, but neither did Empire make $209 in one run. There were loads of reissues and expansions to get it there. But still much less in gross.
I think this would qualify as disappointing. But The Return of the Jedi did surprisingly well. True, but that was more norm of sequels pre 95. Godfather 2, Superman II, Exorcist, Rocky, Indy they all never got to the heights of the original. I can't really get too upset when a much darker sequel becomes the 3rd biggest film of all time. Especially if you overlook Jaws 2. That barely did 25% admissions of the first one, despite having the opening weekend record. Well I guess Rambo III isn't a disappointment then.  Its budget/gross ratio was pretty bad for movies of that era (especially just going off the US result), but it still made a helluva lot of profit. Perhaps that was the birth of overseas grosses saving US disappointments. _________________STOP UIGHUR GENOCIDE IN XINJIANG
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Jmart
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Thegun wrote: David wrote: Licence to Kill Definitely, not only because it was probably the best Bond film since The Spy Who Loved Me, it did poorly only for being released in the most absurd summer ever. And of course ruined any chance at Dalton doing more. While the box office didn't help, the lawsuits between McClory and EON for a few years (1989-1992) were the biggest reasons why Dalton didn't get another chance. Dalton was still tapped to play Bond in 1993 even though his contract had expired. _________________My DVD Collection
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Jiffy
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Dr. Lecter wrote: Corpse wrote: Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End because I love it.
Overall, a fine performance despite the significant dropoff from Dead Man's Chest domestically. $309 million / $654 million / $963 million is obviously huge, especially in 2007 (#4 Overseas, #5 Worldwide), but there were some annoying decisions made by Disney. They really wanted it to be released ASAP.
1. The May release date. Yes, July had Transformers and Harry Potter, but the latter had a stable fanbase that really wouldn't have mattered, and competing against both Spider-Man 3 and Shrek 3 at the same time both domestically and overseas definitely hurt it more than Transformers would have. Or even postponing it until 2008 would have been a wise choice. The Dark Knight would have hurt it domestically (maybe less than the Spider-Man 3/Shrek 3 combo, though), but opening the July 4th weekend would have been fine. The release date likely prevented it from achieving $1 billion worldwide.
2. The 8PM Thursday Previews. Before last year (or the year before?) any previews starting before midnight were counted separately from the opening Friday. So, the $13.2 million At World's End earned in previews was subtracted from it's opening day. Had that figure been included in the opening, it would have had a $56.2 million opening day (#2 All-Time in 2007). Though it would not be at the top of my list, I still remember At World's End to be the first $300+ million domestic grosser, which (IMO) still had a slightly disappointing performance. Attack of the Clones?
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O
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? I'd argue SW TPM. There was no possible way it was ever going to meet expectations. It was considered as underperforming for not breaking JP2's opening weekend record and not topping the original SW Ep4's box office, finishing #3 of all time. Silly I know but could technically be considering a disappointing run!
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Algren
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Avatar 2 can be discussed in this thread upon its release.
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Chippy
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? I haven't figured out what would be "disappointing" for Avatar 2.
Less than $500 mil? Maybe. Less than $400 mil? Definitely.
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Thegun
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? O wrote: I'd argue SW TPM. There was no possible way it was ever going to meet expectations. It was considered as underperforming for not breaking JP2's opening weekend record and not topping the original SW Ep4's box office, finishing #3 of all time. Silly I know but could technically be considering a disappointing run! True but isn't it a foregone conclusion if it hadn't opened on a Wed, it would have easily topped JP2, probably 90 million _________________Chippy wrote: As always, fuck Thegun. Chippy wrote: I want to live vicariously through you, Thegun!
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Algren
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Chippy wrote: I haven't figured out what would be "disappointing" for Avatar 2.
Less than $500 mil? Maybe. Less than $400 mil? Definitely. Less than $749m. _________________STOP UIGHUR GENOCIDE IN XINJIANG
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Thegun
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? If it can maintain 50% of the first, I'd consider that a win, so 375 million. That's reasonable to me as a benchmark.
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? I see Avatar 2 potentially dipping under $300 m, so anything over $300 m would be considered decent to me.
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Jack Sparrow
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Avatar 2 should get past $400m, anything below that is disappointing for me.
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supaprince
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Star Trek into Darkness, Spiderman 3, Sex and the City 2, Mission Impossible 3, The Matrix Revolutions, Scooby Foo 2, e.t.c.
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Jack Sparrow
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Star Trek is one of the MOST disappointing sequels at BO? NO way.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Jack Sparrow wrote: Star Trek is one of the MOST disappointing sequels at BO? NO way. The Star Trek 2 predictions thread provides a persuasive counter argument. As Dr. Lecter noted in another thread: Dr. Lecter wrote: It's crazy how much Star Trek's disappointment kept us all so busy that no thread for the next weekend has been created.
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Thegun
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Final Frontier and Nemesis are still way above STID. It's not even close.
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Jack Sparrow wrote: Star Trek is one of the MOST disappointing sequels at BO? NO way. yes it was. Almost all predictions were 300m or above
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Thegun wrote: Final Frontier and Nemesis are still way above STID. It's not even close. LOl. Last time I checked Nemesis was not some massively hyped blockbuster and it was following a movie that made 70m and was not critically acclaimed
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Narnia and Matrix Revolutions.
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Jack Sparrow
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? 1924 wrote: Jack Sparrow wrote: Star Trek is one of the MOST disappointing sequels at BO? NO way. yes it was. Almost all predictions were 300m or above That still doesn't mean it was one of the MOST disappointing ones. Sure the expectations were higher but there was a chance it didn't do well. Everyone just assumed it was going to make more than the original. It is disappointing but not one of the MOST disappointing ones.
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Thegun
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? 1924 wrote: Thegun wrote: Final Frontier and Nemesis are still way above STID. It's not even close. LOl. Last time I checked Nemesis was not some massively hyped blockbuster and it was following a movie that made 70m and was not critically acclaimed Very true, but STID is still the biggest ST film of all time. If you want to call that a major disappointment along the lines of Rocky V, Rambo III than sure by all means. Your perspective is just way wrong. Nemesis killed the franchise, possibly even the TV incarnations, and like Part V, dropped over 50% in admissions in otherwise one of the most consistent franchises of all time. Not meeting the high end of expectations is not the same as disappointing, There were more than a few that didn't think it would hit 300 million. STID may be a top 5 contender this year, but all time. Hell no. _________________Chippy wrote: As always, fuck Thegun. Chippy wrote: I want to live vicariously through you, Thegun!
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? Thegun wrote: STID is still the biggest ST film of all time. ($263m adj), the first reboot ($257m) and Star Trek IV ($249m adj), all top STiD's anemic $228m DOM gross - - STiD only leads in WW BO, because earlier OS BO #'s aren't available and easy to translate explosions sell well overseas.
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Thegun
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Re: What is the most disappointing box office for a sequel? None of the original films made more than 120 WW, outside of First Contact. I think Voyage Home made 8.5 million OS during it's run.
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