Japan Box-Office: On Hiatus
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Corpse
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Re: Japan Box-Office: Christmas Week 2020 Daily Ests. (12/28
Alo12345 wrote: In Japan (and other developed markets), it is really hard to have a new no.1 all time movie like this, right? Different from other developing markets where new no1 can occur in every one or two years).
Is the gap between marketing/PR/internet now and then not big enough? Or there are some other factors more significantly contributing in preventing it? Can't speak for other countries, but it's certainly difficult and rare in Japan since it's a very long-established market (yearly data dating back to the 1950s), and has experienced little/no inflation. For the all-time record to fall, it has to be almost purely done on a comparable level. It can be done now with a few less admissions than films from up to 25-years+ ago, but it still requires to get very close to the admissions as well. As for the marketing and such, who knows, really. You can make arguments for why films from 20/30 years ago had the advantage, while also making arguments for why films today have the advantage. Except in Japan, you cannot make much of an argument with the inflation card since it's barely a thing. If anything, I'd say films today are at a disadvantage in Japan (way more films being released, almost no inflation, a declining and aging population, more ways to see films outside of theaters, etc.).
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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Corpse
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
Alo12345 wrote: Thank you for your hardwork, I always find all your chart helpful.
Talking about yearly number of admits, do you have a chart for 2000 to now? 2000? Try 1955. And before asking, no, I don't know what 2020's admissions will be. That data will be made available at the end of January. 2020 will probably come in below 1996, the lowest year, but it won't be very far off I don't think. I'm pretty confident that 2020's admissions at least broke 100 million. Most Attended Years, Yearly Admissions (1955-):1958 - 1,127,452,000 1957 - 1,098,882,000 1959 - 1,088,111,000 1960 - 1,014,364,000 1956 - 993,875,000 1955 - 868,912,000 1961 - 863,430,000 1962 - 662,279,000 1963 - 511,121,000 1964 - 431,454,000 1965 - 372,676,000 1966 - 345,811,000 1967 - 335,067,000 1968 - 313,398,000 1969 - 283,980,000 1970 - 254,799,000 1971 - 216,754,000 2019 - 194,910,000 1972 - 187,391,000 1974 - 185,738,000 1973 - 185,324,000 2016 - 180,189,000 2017 - 174,483,000 2010 - 174,358,000 1975 - 174,020,000 1976 - 171,020,000 1983 - 170,430,000 2004 - 170,092,000 2009 - 169,297,000 2018 - 169,210,000 2015 - 166,630,000 1978 - 166,042,000 1977 - 165,172,000 1979 - 165,088,000 2006 - 164,585,000 1980 - 164,422,000 2001 - 163,280,000 2007 - 163,193,000 2003 - 162,347,000 2014 - 161,116,000 2002 - 160,767,000 1986 - 160,758,000 2008 - 160,491,000 2005 - 160,453,000 2013 - 155,888,000 1982 - 155,280,000 2012 - 155,159,000 1985 - 155,130,000 1998 - 153,102,000 1984 - 150,527,000 1981 - 149,450,000 1990 - 146,000,000 1988 - 144,825,000 1999 - 144,762,000 2011 - 144,726,000 1987 - 143,935,000 1989 - 143,573,000 1997 - 140,719,000 1991 - 138,330,000 2000 - 135,390,000 1993 - 130,720,000 1995 - 127,040,000 1992 - 125,600,000 1994 - 122,990,000 1996 - 119,575,000Legend: '50s / '60s / '70s / '80s / '90s / '00s / '10s
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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Alo12345
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
Looking at the numbers from 2000 to 2019 or 1970s to now, it went up and down and has continued like that (which is different from developing markets when the number has just been went up and skyrocket each year).
This is a sign of a long time developed and matured market where the number of admit each year mostly depends on number of movies released each year rather than the number of new cinema or more marketing/PR.
And it also does indicate your point that more ways to see films outside of theaters nowadays comparing to the past.
If 2020 didn't have Corona, how much admits you think?
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R136a1
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
I know it was a different time, but it's quite something to look at those years with over a billion admissions.
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Alo12345
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
R136a1 wrote: I know it was a different time, but it's quite something to look at those years with over a billion admissions. Back then when Japan was at the golden population period and movie theaters are the only way to see a movie. Haha
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Corpse
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
Alo12345 wrote: If 2020 didn't have Corona, how much admits you think? Who knows. I don't think anyone can answer that question about any market this year. Way too many things to consider. In Japan's case, 2020 would have almost certainly dropped from 2019 due to fewer major Imported (Disney) films being released. Japanese films have beaten Imported films every year since 2008, but Hollywood (Disney, mainly) went big in 2019 and closed the gap some which helped make 2019 the most attended year since 1971. But you can also see an upward trend in admissions starting around 2008 when Japan first began to release tons of films each year. Not consistent year-on-year increases, as there are several down years since then with the years being dependent on how films perform, but the 2010s outperformed the 2000s and have been able to compete with the 1970s in the latter half of the decade. My total guess would have seen 2020 do 175/180 million or something.
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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LPLC
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
At 10 a.m. Tuesday is similar to Monday but I think Tuesday afternoon / evening will be quieter than Monday afternoon / evening. Tuesday will probably be around 100k at the usual locations as someone mentioned a few days ago.
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Alo12345
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/9baf4 ... 6025aa679eThere is this news on yahoo japan mentioning the rumours that the producer has a plan on making the next arc into movie??? But because the next arc (red light district arc) is big (4 volumes) so they want to split it into 2 movies???? PLEASE NO, someone know Japanese please tell them to stop. They can make season 2, then a movie, then season 3 and a movie..... something like that. Or they can make the last arc into movies. Split a next big arc into 2 movies is really not a good idea. It also make audience wait too long. There are many comments there go against that idea. @Corpse: can you confirm this is just a rumour/ posibility? Can be changed? Can the negative reaction from audience prevent them from making it?
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AbrahamOmosun
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
Reading the article in Google Translate, it seems to be random people who work in the anime industry giving their opinions/thoughts. The only one with some credibility (in respect to Kimetsu) is the Toho guy who said "we are anxious to make a sequel" but since they are the distributors and aren't part of the production committee,they can't make that decision. They can push for it but that is about it. In this case, it is best to wait and see. Kimetsu has an event coming in February, if a sequel is coming in whatever form, that would be most likely place it would be announced
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Jack Sparrow
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
Rumors are rumors at the end till their is an official confirmation do not trust the source. I am sure the makers of Demon Slayer will do the right things for the series. Mugen Train also ends with no hints to continuation so I really think/hope its an anime series. Having said all that one of the biggest hurdles for DS movies will be the need to watch the anime and "might" restrict its grosses worldwide so its a toss-up at this point.
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Alo12345
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
After the Mugen train arc till the end of the series, all arcs are long arc, really not suitable for making a movie. Split it into 2 movies, no, it will kill the hype. Just imagine 1.5- 2 years gap for a continue of the story Besides, a runtime for a movie in theather in Japan is very long....
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ultimatemegax
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
Alo12345 wrote: https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/9baf403f8692423b2ac7a04e58ba736025aa679e There is this news on yahoo japan mentioning the rumours that the producer has a plan on making the next arc into movie??? But because the next arc (red light district arc) is big (4 volumes) so they want to split it into 2 movies????
PLEASE NO, someone know Japanese please tell them to stop. They can make season 2, then a movie, then season 3 and a movie..... something like that. Or they can make the last arc into movies.
Split a next big arc into 2 movies is really not a good idea. It also make audience wait too long. There are many comments there go against that idea.
@Corpse: can you confirm this is just a rumour/ posibility? Can be changed? Can the negative reaction from audience prevent them from making it? This article basically confirms one thing: discussions are underway regarding an adaptation of the manga beyond Mugen Train according to anime insiders. The rest of the article goes into speculation mode and has quotes from Ichikawa from Toho. Basically he says "We'd like to help [distribute] a sequel and we hope to do so. [Aniplex, Shueisha, ufotable] made this film, so from a distribution standpoint, we'd like to do more, but we've not heard about a sequel." The author also cites two industry people saying "I heard that when they made the decision to create this movie, they were also talking about the next adaptation." and "You can't adapt [the next arc] in one movie. If you'd plan to adapt it to film, you'd have to be pragmatic and make two films." The article also mentions the popular ratings some highlighted episodes got on Fuji TV in Kanto (ignoring the incredibly good ratings for Kansai TV as well) and speculates that it could be a TV series airing on NHK or a TV channel chain (Fuji, TBS, TV Asahi, etc). Basically there was nothing in that article from someone who works on the anime's production (Aniplex, Shueisha, ufotable). Toho only assisted in distributing the film, so they have the easy standpoint of "we'd love to work on it again" (because they did something relatively easy and got a lot of money for nothing essentially). This article is getting a lot of attention in the West because people aren't familiar with how anime production committees work and it quoted someone from Toho, but it's basically speculation coupled with two tidbits of information (it's being planned and they were talking about it when starting work on the film).
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Alo12345
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
ultimatemegax wrote: Alo12345 wrote: https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/9baf403f8692423b2ac7a04e58ba736025aa679e There is this news on yahoo japan mentioning the rumours that the producer has a plan on making the next arc into movie??? But because the next arc (red light district arc) is big (4 volumes) so they want to split it into 2 movies????
PLEASE NO, someone know Japanese please tell them to stop. They can make season 2, then a movie, then season 3 and a movie..... something like that. Or they can make the last arc into movies.
Split a next big arc into 2 movies is really not a good idea. It also make audience wait too long. There are many comments there go against that idea.
@Corpse: can you confirm this is just a rumour/ posibility? Can be changed? Can the negative reaction from audience prevent them from making it? This article basically confirms one thing: discussions are underway regarding an adaptation of the manga beyond Mugen Train according to anime insiders. The rest of the article goes into speculation mode and has quotes from Ichikawa from Toho. Basically he says "We'd like to help [distribute] a sequel and we hope to do so. [Aniplex, Shueisha, ufotable] made this film, so from a distribution standpoint, we'd like to do more, but we've not heard about a sequel." The author also cites two industry people saying "I heard that when they made the decision to create this movie, they were also talking about the next adaptation." and "You can't adapt [the next arc] in one movie. If you'd plan to adapt it to film, you'd have to be pragmatic and make two films." The article also mentions the popular ratings some highlighted episodes got on Fuji TV in Kanto (ignoring the incredibly good ratings for Kansai TV as well) and speculates that it could be a TV series airing on NHK or a TV channel chain (Fuji, TBS, TV Asahi, etc). Basically there was nothing in that article from someone who works on the anime's production (Aniplex, Shueisha, ufotable). Toho only assisted in distributing the film, so they have the easy standpoint of "we'd love to work on it again" (because they did something relatively easy and got a lot of money for nothing essentially). This article is getting a lot of attention in the West because people aren't familiar with how anime production committees work and it quoted someone from Toho, but it's basically speculation coupled with two tidbits of information (it's being planned and they were talking about it when starting work on the film). So in short, we know that the production team is working in adapting the next part of the series but it was not yet confirmed a season 2 multi episode or another movie?
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ren0080
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
Hmmm... I mean, Heaven's Feel trilogy was up everytime another movie comes out so the hype never died even when the movies took like 1-2 years gap.
Ufotable is good with it's decisions so I trust it. Like how they did the Mugen Train into a movie is genius. So I trust that they will make the right decision and make a season 2 instead of two movies.
Also, make Fate Route (+Realta Nua ending) Remake already ufotable!!! Then you can make Hollow Ataraxia into a movie or a season cours or whatever you want.
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Alo12345
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
ren0080 wrote: Hmmm... I mean, Heaven's Feel trilogy was up everytime another movie comes out so the hype never died even when the movies took like 1-2 years gap.
Ufotable is good with it's decisions so I trust it. Like how they did the Mugen Train into a movie is genius. So I trust that they will make the right decision and make a season 2 instead of two movies.
Also, make Fate Route (+Realta Nua ending) Remake already ufotable!!! Then you can make Hollow Ataraxia into a movie or a season cours or whatever you want. The content of the Mugen Train arc is very suitable for a movie, so they made it and it was a right choice. But after this arc, it is not except maybe the last arc they can decide to make movie. I use google translate the Japanese comments there and many of them feel the same way. Haha
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NezuKo
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
Alo12345 wrote: https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/9baf403f8692423b2ac7a04e58ba736025aa679e There is this news on yahoo japan mentioning the rumours that the producer has a plan on making the next arc into movie??? But because the next arc (red light district arc) is big (4 volumes) so they want to split it into 2 movies????
PLEASE NO, someone know Japanese please tell them to stop. They can make season 2, then a movie, then season 3 and a movie..... something like that. Or they can make the last arc into movies.
Split a next big arc into 2 movies is really not a good idea. It also make audience wait too long. There are many comments there go against that idea.
@Corpse: can you confirm this is just a rumour/ posibility? Can be changed? Can the negative reaction from audience prevent them from making it? Hope they don't it would kill hype anyway it is better to release non canon movie after season 2 maybe based on light novel (highest selling light novel in Japan)they can make final arc a canon movie they should not be too greedy
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LPLC
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
At 6 p.m. Tuesday is above Monday at the same point as Charlie Jat thought. If the day continues in this direction, Tuesday should end at 120k-125k at the usual locations, maybe a little more.
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ren0080
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
Alo12345 wrote: ren0080 wrote: Hmmm... I mean, Heaven's Feel trilogy was up everytime another movie comes out so the hype never died even when the movies took like 1-2 years gap.
Ufotable is good with it's decisions so I trust it. Like how they did the Mugen Train into a movie is genius. So I trust that they will make the right decision and make a season 2 instead of two movies.
Also, make Fate Route (+Realta Nua ending) Remake already ufotable!!! Then you can make Hollow Ataraxia into a movie or a season cours or whatever you want. The content of the Mugen Train arc is very suitable for a movie, so they made it and it was a right choice. But after this arc, it is not except maybe the last arc they can decide to make movie. I use google translate the Japanese comments there and many of them feel the same way. Haha I know lmao That's why I said that ufotable is a trusted studio that will make the right choice. Basing on the manga, they can make the two long arcs (RLD and SSV) into one season. And if they really squeeze it, they can also add the training arc in that one season. But I doubt they'll do that since they'll probably add some anime originals to expand on the characters that don't have their own arc.
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LPLC
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
LPLC wrote: At 6 p.m. Tuesday is above Monday at the same point as Charlie Jat thought. If the day continues in this direction, Tuesday should end at 120k-125k at the usual locations, maybe a little more. Around 130k at the usual locations today, great !
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Alo12345
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
LPLC wrote: LPLC wrote: At 6 p.m. Tuesday is above Monday at the same point as Charlie Jat thought. If the day continues in this direction, Tuesday should end at 120k-125k at the usual locations, maybe a little more. Around 130k at the usual locations today, great ! I thought it would decrease from Mon but yeah
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Jack Sparrow
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
That's indeed great news.
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LPLC
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
Alo12345 wrote: LPLC wrote: LPLC wrote: At 6 p.m. Tuesday is above Monday at the same point as Charlie Jat thought. If the day continues in this direction, Tuesday should end at 120k-125k at the usual locations, maybe a little more. Around 130k at the usual locations today, great ! I thought it would decrease from Mon but yeah Me too but Charlie Jat was right as often. Wednesday is expected to rise further from Tuesday. Thursday will be the weakest day of the week (weaker than Monday) and Friday will probably be the strongest day of the week.
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LPLC
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
ymblcza, do you have any numbers for tomorrow ?
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ymblcza
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
I count reservation at 9:30pm at GMT+8 every day(30 mins later)
Wed TOHO
KIMETSU NO YAIBA 30473, +35%
POCKET MONSTERS 10457, +1%
SHINKAISHAKU SANGOKUSHI 9999, +67%
POUPELLE OF CHIMNEY TOWN 8278, +48%
THE PROMISED NEVERLAND 5684, +45%
STAND BY ME DORAEMON 2 3795, +32%
TOHO is favorable on Lady's Day so the increase won't be as much in usual locations
Thur TOHO
KIMETSU NO YAIBA 11010, 76% of Tue *all formats 7919 *4d 3091, 54% of Tue *other formats
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Alo12345
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Re: Japan Box-Office: WKND Actuals (12/26-27), Bottom Pg. 65
ymblcza wrote: I count reservation at 9:30pm at GMT+8 every day(30 mins later)
Wed TOHO
KIMETSU NO YAIBA 30473, +35%
POCKET MONSTERS 10457, +1%
SHINKAISHAKU SANGOKUSHI 9999, +67%
POUPELLE OF CHIMNEY TOWN 8278, +48%
THE PROMISED NEVERLAND 5684, +45%
STAND BY ME DORAEMON 2 3795, +32%
TOHO is favorable on Lady's Day so the increase won't be as much in usual locations Maybe +20% overall at usual locations?
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