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Author:  zingy [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:56 pm ]
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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=1742&p=.htm

This is an interesting article by Brandon. I was a bit surprised to see the numbers and see that Million Dollar Baby didn't top $10 million. I was very surprised. The way this movie was recieved, I thought it would have a very nice jump. Especially with it's theater increase (which also could have been better). I'm not complaining about it's gross, considering it's great, but it's a bit... underwhelming.
Author:  DP07 [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:02 pm ]
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They certainly are not meaningless at the BO, but once the older generation dies out, that will increasingly be the case.
Author:  Anonymous [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:13 pm ]
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Interesting read.

I would be shocked if we didn't see several high profile, popular films nominated for BP next year.

M$B's weekend gross just affirms what's been talked about since before the Oscars, it just isn't a very popular film with the masses. But who knows, The Aviator would have probably faltered over this past weekend as well had it won.

I'm looking forward to next year.
Author:  makeshift [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:15 pm ]
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loyalfromlondon wrote:
Interesting read.

I would be shocked if we didn't see several high profile, popular films nominated for BP next year.

M$B's weekend gross just affirms what's been talked about since before the Oscars, it just isn't a very popular film with the masses. But who knows, The Aviator would have probably faltered over this past weekend as well had it won.

I'm looking forward to next year.


I agree.

I think the low BO gross of the BPN's reflects more on the quality of the films that were nominated this year then the relevance of the Academy Awards.
Author:  Joker's Thug #3 [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:22 pm ]
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Well M$B has been getting great wom, it has more to do with people not being very interested in seeing the movie then anything else. It'll still pass 100mil - but it just wont do much more after. The drops indicate that the movie has been getting great wom, nobody can really say otherwise, its just that as the article says, Oscars to the masses dont mean much anymore. It has nothing to do with quality, it's just not a big budget flick that goes " BOOM and " BANG "
Author:  Jeff [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:26 pm ]
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I think in relation to box office gross they are becoming less and less effective. Perhaps if more films released during the rest of the year and instead of the usual December "Oscar Bait" films were nominated, the ratings would increase.

They were many good films released last year that were snubbed in favor of the more high-profile award season releases.
Author:  jb007 [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:53 pm ]
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Most people are hypocrites. The same people that say that more successful movies were ignored by the academy. Bring the same argument with regard to Shrek 2 and The Incredibles, then the more successful movie theory doesn't count. The more successful movie theory works only if the successful movies that are nominated or win are the ones they like. I laugh at ppl like those on these boards. They make arguments and twist the facts to fit their really silly points.

M$B will make about 105-110M. No Shrek 2 numbers. So what? It is a great movie that won Best Picture.

The Shawshank Redemption made 28M. Does the gross diminish its worth?

Where was this Brandon, when a poorly acted movie won BP last year (2003).
Author:  STEVE ROGERS [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:39 pm ]
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Killuminati510 wrote:
Well M$B has been getting great wom, it has more to do with people not being very interested in seeing the movie then anything else. It'll still pass 100mil - but it just wont do much more after. The drops indicate that the movie has been getting great wom, nobody can really say otherwise, its just that as the article says, Oscars to the masses dont mean much anymore. It has nothing to do with quality, it's just not a big budget flick that goes " BOOM and " BANG "


How many times have I said this and you keep coming up with excuses that MDB is performing so well??? :-k The movie is just flat out OVERRATED and alot of folks really don't give a crap about it and would prefer that the more popular movies like SPIDERMAN II get the Oscar than this critic touted movie..
Author:  jb007 [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:43 pm ]
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BKB_The_Man wrote:
Killuminati510 wrote:
Well M$B has been getting great wom, it has more to do with people not being very interested in seeing the movie then anything else. It'll still pass 100mil - but it just wont do much more after. The drops indicate that the movie has been getting great wom, nobody can really say otherwise, its just that as the article says, Oscars to the masses dont mean much anymore. It has nothing to do with quality, it's just not a big budget flick that goes " BOOM and " BANG "


How many times have I said this and you keep coming up with excuses that MDB is performing so well??? :-k The movie is just flat out OVERRATED and alot of folks really don't give a crap about it and would prefer that the more popular movies like SPIDERMAN II get the Oscar than this critic touted movie..


In that case since 10 million more people watched Shrek 2 than SM2, I say Shrek 2 kicked SM2's butt and SM2 was overrated.
Author:  bABA [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:44 pm ]
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BKB_The_Man wrote:
Killuminati510 wrote:
Well M$B has been getting great wom, it has more to do with people not being very interested in seeing the movie then anything else. It'll still pass 100mil - but it just wont do much more after. The drops indicate that the movie has been getting great wom, nobody can really say otherwise, its just that as the article says, Oscars to the masses dont mean much anymore. It has nothing to do with quality, it's just not a big budget flick that goes " BOOM and " BANG "


How many times have I said this and you keep coming up with excuses that MDB is performing so well??? :-k The movie is just flat out OVERRATED and alot of folks really don't give a crap about it and would prefer that the more popular movies like SPIDERMAN II get the Oscar than this critic touted movie..


whats that got to do with the movie performing well .. it actually is ...
Author:  Joker's Thug #3 [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:53 pm ]
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MDB has been getting great drops week by week, if it was overated why has it been in the top 6 since it came out in the end of January :???:

Obviously Oscars didnt help it much - but that just means it can hold its own without having to rely on Oscars to help it out. Its already at 100mil Worldwide and eventualy will make over 100mil in NA alone. For a movie to only open to 12mil and probably end up with over 100mil is pretty fantastic i'd say and couldnt be overated in anyway ( obviously dummies like you BKB would think so, though you havnt even seen it yet )
Author:  jb007 [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:55 pm ]
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Killuminati510 wrote:
MDB has been getting great drops week by week, if it was overated why has it been in the top 6 since it came out in the end of January :???:

Obviously Oscars didnt help it much - but that just means it can hold its own without having to rely on Oscars to help it out. Its already at 100mil Worldwide and eventualy will make over 100mil in NA alone. For a movie to only open to 12mil and probably end up with over 100mil is pretty fantastic i'd say and couldnt be overated in anyway ( obviously dummies like you would think so, though you havnt even seen it yet )


:rofl:
Author:  Jeff [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:58 pm ]
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:mrgreen: <-- The BKB sign
Author:  Joker's Thug #3 [ Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:58 pm ]
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jb007 wrote:
BKB_The_Man wrote:
Killuminati510 wrote:
Well M$B has been getting great wom, it has more to do with people not being very interested in seeing the movie then anything else. It'll still pass 100mil - but it just wont do much more after. The drops indicate that the movie has been getting great wom, nobody can really say otherwise, its just that as the article says, Oscars to the masses dont mean much anymore. It has nothing to do with quality, it's just not a big budget flick that goes " BOOM and " BANG "


How many times have I said this and you keep coming up with excuses that MDB is performing so well??? :-k The movie is just flat out OVERRATED and alot of folks really don't give a crap about it and would prefer that the more popular movies like SPIDERMAN II get the Oscar than this critic touted movie..


In that case since 10 million more people watched Shrek 2 than SM2, I say Shrek 2 kicked SM2's butt and SM2 was overrated.
MDB will be making over double what Lost in Translation made ( BKBs fav of 03' ) I say MDB completely wooped on LIT's butt and LIT was overated
Author:  torrino [ Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:13 am ]
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It ain't LOT, it's LIT.

That was my favorite in '03. Box office means nothing. Considering the studio backing LiT and the overall appeal, I'd say it did pretty daaaang well.
Author:  Joker's Thug #3 [ Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:15 am ]
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torrino wrote:
It ain't LOT, it's LIT.

That was my favorite in '03. Box office means nothing. Considering the studio backing LiT and the overall appeal, I'd say it did pretty daaaang well.
Thats what I ment, ofcourse BO means nothing, if that was the case Meet the Fockers would be of higher quality then Shawshank, Raging Bull, American Beauty, etc Im Just trying to play BKBs game :wink:
Author:  STEVE ROGERS [ Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:31 am ]
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jb007 wrote:
BKB_The_Man wrote:
Killuminati510 wrote:
Well M$B has been getting great wom, it has more to do with people not being very interested in seeing the movie then anything else. It'll still pass 100mil - but it just wont do much more after. The drops indicate that the movie has been getting great wom, nobody can really say otherwise, its just that as the article says, Oscars to the masses dont mean much anymore. It has nothing to do with quality, it's just not a big budget flick that goes " BOOM and " BANG "


How many times have I said this and you keep coming up with excuses that MDB is performing so well??? :-k The movie is just flat out OVERRATED and alot of folks really don't give a crap about it and would prefer that the more popular movies like SPIDERMAN II get the Oscar than this critic touted movie..


In that case since 10 million more people watched Shrek 2 than SM2, I say Shrek 2 kicked SM2's butt and SM2 was overrated.


I agree.. SHREK II should've been listed as a BEST PICTURE Candidate and wasn't and SPIDERMAN II is the BEST Comicbook movie ever made and so much that even scenes in BATMAN BEGINS copies it like for example, BATMAN hanging upside down like SPIDEY did ready to kiss that criminal in the latest released pic..
Author:  STEVE ROGERS [ Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:32 am ]
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Killuminati510 wrote:
MDB has been getting great drops week by week, if it was overated why has it been in the top 6 since it came out in the end of January :???:

Obviously Oscars didnt help it much - but that just means it can hold its own without having to rely on Oscars to help it out. Its already at 100mil Worldwide and eventualy will make over 100mil in NA alone. For a movie to only open to 12mil and probably end up with over 100mil is pretty fantastic i'd say and couldnt be overated in anyway ( obviously dummies like you BKB would think so, though you havnt even seen it yet )


And I have no interest in seeing this overrated, overmelodramatic tear jerker either.. :cry:
Author:  Joker's Thug #3 [ Tue Mar 08, 2005 3:06 am ]
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BKB_The_Man wrote:
Killuminati510 wrote:
MDB has been getting great drops week by week, if it was overated why has it been in the top 6 since it came out in the end of January :???:

Obviously Oscars didnt help it much - but that just means it can hold its own without having to rely on Oscars to help it out. Its already at 100mil Worldwide and eventualy will make over 100mil in NA alone. For a movie to only open to 12mil and probably end up with over 100mil is pretty fantastic i'd say and couldnt be overated in anyway ( obviously dummies like you BKB would think so, though you havnt even seen it yet )


And I have no interest in seeing this overrated, overmelodramatic tear jerker either.. :cry:
Then you cant say its overated :wink: Judging a movie before seeing it is completely stupid and im sure even you know that. If someone said AVP looks like total ass though hasnt seen it yet, i'd bet you would totally go off on them, you know it, dont be a hypocrite [-X
Author:  STEVE ROGERS [ Tue Mar 08, 2005 3:53 am ]
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Killuminati510 wrote:
BKB_The_Man wrote:
Killuminati510 wrote:
MDB has been getting great drops week by week, if it was overated why has it been in the top 6 since it came out in the end of January :???:

Obviously Oscars didnt help it much - but that just means it can hold its own without having to rely on Oscars to help it out. Its already at 100mil Worldwide and eventualy will make over 100mil in NA alone. For a movie to only open to 12mil and probably end up with over 100mil is pretty fantastic i'd say and couldnt be overated in anyway ( obviously dummies like you BKB would think so, though you havnt even seen it yet )


And I have no interest in seeing this overrated, overmelodramatic tear jerker either.. :cry:
Then you cant say its overated :wink: Judging a movie before seeing it is completely stupid and im sure even you know that. If someone said AVP looks like total ass though hasnt seen it yet, i'd bet you would totally go off on them, you know it, dont be a hypocrite [-X


Oh Please!!! :lol: I had to put up with that bullshit everyday for like 6 months prior to AVP coming out when I was at RT.. Hell, everyone and there mother including YOU I bet, tore this movie a new ass all because "The Man" was making it and not some Uber Fanboy Cool Director like James Cameron or Ridley Scott and it still didn't change my enthusiasm for the movie in thinking it would be great and it was GREAT, so much that were all blessed with AVP II coming soon.. Once again, MDB is extremely overrated and so much so that even others have commented on how it is after it's Best Picture Win.. The vote should've been split down the middle in having Scorcese walk away with an Oscar and you probably wouldn't of heard shit about it.. Either way, it's over and done and I'm now turning my attention to Amityville kicking the snot out of the RING II instead of this..
Author:  Joker's Thug #3 [ Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:42 am ]
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BKB_The_Man wrote:
Killuminati510 wrote:
BKB_The_Man wrote:
Killuminati510 wrote:
MDB has been getting great drops week by week, if it was overated why has it been in the top 6 since it came out in the end of January :???:

Obviously Oscars didnt help it much - but that just means it can hold its own without having to rely on Oscars to help it out. Its already at 100mil Worldwide and eventualy will make over 100mil in NA alone. For a movie to only open to 12mil and probably end up with over 100mil is pretty fantastic i'd say and couldnt be overated in anyway ( obviously dummies like you BKB would think so, though you havnt even seen it yet )


And I have no interest in seeing this overrated, overmelodramatic tear jerker either.. :cry:
Then you cant say its overated :wink: Judging a movie before seeing it is completely stupid and im sure even you know that. If someone said AVP looks like total ass though hasnt seen it yet, i'd bet you would totally go off on them, you know it, dont be a hypocrite [-X


Oh Please!!! :lol: I had to put up with that bullshit everyday for like 6 months prior to AVP coming out when I was at RT.. Hell, everyone and there mother including YOU I bet, tore this movie a new ass all because "The Man" was making it and not some Uber Fanboy Cool Director like James Cameron or Ridley Scott and it still didn't change my enthusiasm for the movie in thinking it would be great and it was GREAT, so much that were all blessed with AVP II coming soon.. Once again, MDB is extremely overrated and so much so that even others have commented on how it is after it's Best Picture Win.. The vote should've been split down the middle in having Scorcese walk away with an Oscar and you probably wouldn't of heard shit about it.. Either way, it's over and done and I'm now turning my attention to Amityville kicking the snot out of the RING II instead of this..
Unless you take a poll of 100,000 people asking them if they enjoyed the movie or not or you actually see the movie, that statement holds no weight. Others have commented? Yes, other critics who were more fond of another one of the best picture nominees and want to rant and moan :wink:

MDB has a 8.4 at IMDb, B+ at yahoo, 92% at RT ( user reviews ), I can go on. People enjoyed it so screw your weightless opinion =; :razz:
Author:  DP07 [ Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:11 am ]
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Killuminati510 wrote:
Well M$B has been getting great wom, it has more to do with people not being very interested in seeing the movie then anything else. It'll still pass 100mil - but it just wont do much more after. The drops indicate that the movie has been getting great wom, nobody can really say otherwise...


I actually have to agree somewhat with BKB. The drops don't really indicate anything about WOM. Virtually every best picture nominee has holds like that leading up to the oscars regardless of WOM. Look at the way the other best pic nominees held up in previous weeks, and this week.

The film does have a B+ at yahoo, which indicates good WOM. I wouldn't refer to it as great WOM since 23% of all films have a B+ or better. They don't have the rankings for top of 2004 yet, but if Mystic River is any indication, with a B+, it is 40th for 2003. In my mind "great wom" is a bit better then that.

Anyway, I expect it to begin dropping next weekend, and I believe it will finish with a total of about 94m.
Author:  Nazgul9 [ Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:12 am ]
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jb007 wrote:
Where was this Brandon, when a poorly acted movie won BP last year (2003).

Objection!
Author:  jb007 [ Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:04 pm ]
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Nazgul9 wrote:
jb007 wrote:
Where was this Brandon, when a poorly acted movie won BP last year (2003).

Objection!


:oops:
Author:  Joker's Thug #3 [ Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:47 pm ]
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DP07 wrote:
Killuminati510 wrote:
Well M$B has been getting great wom, it has more to do with people not being very interested in seeing the movie then anything else. It'll still pass 100mil - but it just wont do much more after. The drops indicate that the movie has been getting great wom, nobody can really say otherwise...


I actually have to agree somewhat with BKB. The drops don't really indicate anything about WOM. Virtually every best picture nominee has holds like that leading up to the oscars regardless of WOM. Look at the way the other best pic nominees held up in previous weeks, and this week.

The film does have a B+ at yahoo, which indicates good WOM. I wouldn't refer to it as great WOM since 23% of all films have a B+ or better. They don't have the rankings for top of 2004 yet, but if Mystic River is any indication, with a B+, it is 40th for 2003. In my mind "great wom" is a bit better then that.

Anyway, I expect it to begin dropping next weekend, and I believe it will finish with a total of about 94m.
Its in the top 90 at IMDb aswell, obviously people who review at Yahoo are more of a younger crowd and might not tend to be as fond of MDB as others ( Aviator and Sideways only have a B ) just look at the movies that get an A- ( Coach Carter & Diary :???: ) and both those movies fell off after the first week quite a bit - but anyways I dont think you can say B+ indicates only good wom, Hitch has a B+ and i'd consider it having great wom. Lets not only use Yahoo reviews to indicate how good wom for a movie is :wink: I guess will just have to see how MDB holds up from now on
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