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Jon Lyrik wrote:

Excellent numbers all around.

The big questions now are: Will Fockers pass $200 million? Will Polar hit it's budget?

Mr. X wrote:

Jon Lyrik wrote:

Excellent numbers all around.

The big questions now are: Will Fockers pass $200 million? Will Polar hit it's budget?

Yes and yes. :wink:

Jon Lyrik wrote:

Mr. X wrote:

Jon Lyrik wrote:

Excellent numbers all around.

The big questions now are: Will Fockers pass $200 million? Will Polar hit it's budget?

Yes and yes. :wink:

Agreed.

Other questions:

Will Lemony pass $100 million? $110 million? $120 million?

Will Polar have a life after the holidays?

Will Fockers pass $225 million? $250 million, even?

Will Darkness have a 3 multiplier?

Jon Lyrik wrote:

Other questions:

Will Lemony pass $100 million? $110 million? $120 million?

Will Polar have a life after the holidays?

Will Fockers pass $225 million? $250 million, even?

Will Darkness have a 3 multiplier?

Jon Lyrik wrote:

Mr. X wrote:

Jon Lyrik wrote:

Excellent numbers all around.

The big questions now are: Will Fockers pass $200 million? Will Polar hit it's budget?

Yes and yes. :wink:

zach wrote:

The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise

zach wrote:

The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise

box_2005 wrote:

zach wrote:

The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise

No, it won't. Our expectations are so low, I think even if it made $5 it would be suprising.

Anyways, the film isn't worth considering. My concentration is on the Fockers, which is doing amazing, my Incredibles, which deserves to do incredible business, and Polar Express, which will be strong well into January.

jb007 wrote:

zach wrote:

The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise

Yeah, sure. Might overtake Shrek 2 for the number one movie of 2004

zach wrote:

jb007 wrote:

zach wrote:

The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise

Yeah, sure. Might overtake Shrek 2 for the number one movie of 2004

Don't be silly. But it will do very, very well on its expansion platform, I suspect. I am refering to you assclowns who think it will make 20m and fall off the face of the planet. I have confidence on a much more robust intake.

Box, if anything, The Phantom deserves incredible business. It's better than The Incredibles. Who cares if you don't think every verse isn't poetic.... the very idea, which you fail to grasp, I suppose (after seeing your tasteless bashing of the film earlier in the Awards area), is poetical. IMHO

zach wrote:

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Box, if anything, The Phantom deserves incredible business. It's better than The Incredibles. Who cares if you don't think every verse isn't poetic.... the very idea, which you fail to grasp, I suppose (after seeing your tasteless bashing of the film earlier in the Awards area), is poetical. IMHO

zach wrote:

jb007 wrote:

zach wrote:

The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise

Yeah, sure. Might overtake Shrek 2 for the number one movie of 2004

zach wrote:

Forget it. I was being an ass by hoping a movie fan would appreciate a brilliant movie. Then, I remembered you liked the shit fest Lord of the Rings.

box_2005 wrote:

Maybe I can provide an explanation of why the critics, as well as those who appreciate music, might bash this kid to hell and back. Consider these lyrics:

Christine:
In sleep he sang to me
In dreams he came
That voice which calls to me
And speaks my name
And do I dream again?
For now I find
The phantom of the opera is there,
Inside my mind

Phantom:
Sing once again with me
Our strange duet
My power over you
Grows stronger yet
And though you turn from me
to glance behind
The phantom of the opera is there
Inside your mind

Ok, so what is the intended scenario? One of two things, I should hope:

1) The Phantom wants to turn Christine into a successful singer. The relationship is between a teacher and a student then

2) They're in love.

Do those lyrics suggest anything of that kind? Of course not! The poor girl is terrified, and the horrific words of the phantom imply an almost violent overtaking of the girl. This is a terrible way to communicate either 1) or 2).

Consider the lyrics that follow up on it:

And in this labrinth
Where night is blind
The Phantom of the opera is here/there

How can night be blind? What does that mean? The night cannot be possibly blind; that's a qualification reserved for living beings, not for a concept of time. People can be blind during the night, yes, but the night itself is not.

Consider another atrocious song:

Slowly, gently
night unfurls its splendour . . .
Grasp it, sense it -
tremulous and tender . . .

Grasp what? What exactly is there to grasp? What splendour is this guy talking about? If I were Christine, I'd be confused as hell right now. What am I supposed to look at? The freak? Or something in the night that isn't there? Well, it's supposed to be night's splendour, so I guess that's a clue. Urgh, awful awful lyrics.

Let's go further:

You alone can make my song take flight -
help me make the music of the night . .

Oh ya, ok, so that's why he's got her down there. He wants to make babies then? If you view it from that perspective, consider how the meaning of those lyrics beforehand changes:

Close your eyes
and surrender to your
darkest dreams!
Purge your thoughts
of the life
you knew before!
Close your eyes,
let your spirit
start to soar!
And you'll live
as you've never
lived before . . .
Softly, deftly,
music shall surround you . . .
Feel it, hear it,
closing in around you . . .
Open up your mind,
let your fantasies unwind,
in this darkness which
you know you cannot fight -
the darkness of
the music of the night . . .
Let your mind
start a journey through a
strange new world!

So, he wants Christine to:

1) surrounder to her darkest dreams. I wander what those are supposed to be, hm...

2) let her spirit soar? How, orgasm? Nice...

3) you know you cannot fight it -- oh ya, that is real smooth, ain't it? As if the freak abducting you isn't enough, now he will force you to do anything he wants. How romantic.

This is bad music, really bad music. And the lyrics aren't the only problem, it's the bombast. Too much of a (to begin with) bad thing just is...wrong.

The original story was meant to be very creepy, and it was. You can see how the Phantom really is a creepy character. How can a film possibly attempt to turn this into a romance? It's just nonsensical. And as for the merit of the music, well, I gave some reasons above as to why it's not all that great as it seems to be.

So, I'd say no, this definitely does not deserve a nomination when you have other much better films out there.

Author:	xiayun [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:51 pm ]
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From BOM: 1 MEET THE FOCKERS $13,913,690 -28.4% / $3,955 $84,431,410 2 LEMONY SNICKET'S A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS $5,302,469 -3.6% / $1,464 $64,713,835 3 FAT ALBERT $3,345,516 -25.2% / $1,251 $13,367,026 4 THE AVIATOR $2,900,000 (estimate) -31.6% / $1,615 $12,886,000 5 OCEAN'S TWELVE $2,878,397 -19.1% / $875 $89,478,621 6 THE POLAR EXPRESS $2,359,133 1.1% / $901 $142,592,282 7 DARKNESS $1,775,000 (estimate) -38% / $1,044 $7,938,000 8 SPANGLISH $1,572,968 -24.9% / $644 $19,754,716 9 NATIONAL TREASURE $1,524,176 -7.8% / $692 $142,588,929 10 THE LIFE AQUATIC WITH STEVE ZISSOU $1,513,595 -28.5% / $1,370 $6,468,649 11 THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA $1,296,075 -21.8% / $2,084 $7,619,642 12 THE INCREDIBLES $1,138,472 13.7% / $657 $243,564,448

Author:	xiayun [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:53 pm ]
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As expected, the family movies (Lemony, Polar Express, National Treasure) held up very well, while Darkness suffered the biggest drop from Sunday.

Author:	Mister Ecks [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:59 pm ]
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Wow, nice number for Fockers. Looks like few people are saying "Fuck the Fockers!" :wink:

Author:	Tyler [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:59 pm ]
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Excellent numbers all around. The big questions now are: Will Fockers pass $200 million? Will Polar hit it's budget?

Author:	Mister Ecks [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:00 pm ]
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Jon Lyrik wrote: Excellent numbers all around. The big questions now are: Will Fockers pass $200 million? Will Polar hit it's budget? Yes and yes. :wink:

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Author:	Tyler [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:04 pm ]
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Mr. X wrote: Jon Lyrik wrote: Excellent numbers all around. The big questions now are: Will Fockers pass $200 million? Will Polar hit it's budget? Yes and yes. :wink: Agreed. Other questions: Will Lemony pass $100 million? $110 million? $120 million? Will Polar have a life after the holidays? Will Fockers pass $225 million? $250 million, even? Will Darkness have a 3 multiplier?

Author:	Mister Ecks [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:21 pm ]
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Jon Lyrik wrote: Mr. X wrote: Jon Lyrik wrote: Excellent numbers all around. The big questions now are: Will Fockers pass $200 million? Will Polar hit it's budget? Yes and yes. :wink: Agreed. Other questions: Will Lemony pass $100 million? $110 million? $120 million? Will Polar have a life after the holidays? Will Fockers pass $225 million? $250 million, even? Will Darkness have a 3 multiplier? Wow... deep.

Author:	xiayun [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:34 pm ]
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Other note of interests outside the top 12: 16 Closer $648,076 -18.9% / $606 $23,212,326 17 Finding Neverland $625,000 1% / $670 $20,390,000 19 Sideways $407,053 -32% / $1,134 $18,907,140 20 House of Flying Daggers $175,000 -31% / $1,054 $2,830,000 21 A Very Long Engagement $150,757 -28.5% / $908 $1,447,877 - Million Dollar Baby $56,771 -15.9% / $6,308 $583,909 - Hotel Rwanda $31,340 -23.1% / $4,477 $173,726

Author:	Bodrul [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:59 pm ]
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Jon Lyrik wrote: Other questions: Will Lemony pass $100 million? $110 million? $120 million? Will Polar have a life after the holidays? Will Fockers pass $225 million? $250 million, even? Will Darkness have a 3 multiplier? 1) $120 million 2) Yes 3) No and No 4) Yes

Author:	Maximus [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:33 pm ]
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Not too shabby for Phantom. WOM is going to carry the film considerably.

Author:	sako [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:33 pm ]
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Great for mostly all numbers.

Author:	sako [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:35 pm ]
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Jon Lyrik wrote: Mr. X wrote: Jon Lyrik wrote: Excellent numbers all around. The big questions now are: Will Fockers pass $200 million? Will Polar hit it's budget? Yes and yes. :wink: Agreed. Other questions: Will Lemony pass $100 million? $110 million? $120 million? Will Polar have a life after the holidays? Will Fockers pass $225 million? $250 million, even? Will Darkness have a 3 multiplier? 110 Not really 225 at most mostly likely, but could end up with like 2.5 also

Author:	jb007 [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:49 pm ]
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The holiday effect is on. Even Phantom had a good day Meet The Fockers is kicking butt. It will get over $200 mil. The Polar Express is holding up better than the weekend indicated.

Author:	Maximus [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:50 pm ]
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The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise

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Author:	jb007 [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:52 pm ]
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zach wrote: The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise Yeah, sure. Might overtake Shrek 2 for the number one movie of 2004

Author:	Box [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:53 pm ]
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zach wrote: The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise No, it won't. Our expectations are so low, I think even if it made $5 it would be suprising. Anyways, the film isn't worth considering. My concentration is on the Fockers, which is doing amazing, my Incredibles, which deserves to do incredible business, and Polar Express, which will be strong well into January.

Author:	jb007 [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:56 pm ]
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box_2005 wrote: zach wrote: The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise No, it won't. Our expectations are so low, I think even if it made $5 it would be suprising. Anyways, the film isn't worth considering. My concentration is on the Fockers, which is doing amazing, my Incredibles, which deserves to do incredible business, and Polar Express, which will be strong well into January. Meet the Fockers is doing very well. Incredibles should get to 255-260. Polar about 165-175.

Author:	Maximus [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:57 pm ]
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jb007 wrote: zach wrote: The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise Yeah, sure. Might overtake Shrek 2 for the number one movie of 2004 Don't be silly. But it will do very, very well on its expansion platform, I suspect. I am refering to you assclowns who think it will make 20m and fall off the face of the planet. I have confidence on a much more robust intake. Box, if anything, The Phantom deserves incredible business. It's better than The Incredibles. Who cares if you don't think every verse isn't poetic.... the very idea, which you fail to grasp, I suppose (after seeing your tasteless bashing of the film earlier in the Awards area), is poetical. IMHO

Author:	jb007 [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:00 pm ]
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zach wrote: jb007 wrote: zach wrote: The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise Yeah, sure. Might overtake Shrek 2 for the number one movie of 2004 Don't be silly. But it will do very, very well on its expansion platform, I suspect. I am refering to you assclowns who think it will make 20m and fall off the face of the planet. I have confidence on a much more robust intake. Box, if anything, The Phantom deserves incredible business. It's better than The Incredibles. Who cares if you don't think every verse isn't poetic.... the very idea, which you fail to grasp, I suppose (after seeing your tasteless bashing of the film earlier in the Awards area), is poetical. IMHO I saw the stinker play a few years ago. I hated it and If this movie makes over 40 mil. that would be a Titanic like gross for this crapfest, IMHO.

Author:	Box [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:00 pm ]
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zach wrote: [ Box, if anything, The Phantom deserves incredible business. It's better than The Incredibles. Who cares if you don't think every verse isn't poetic.... the very idea, which you fail to grasp, I suppose (after seeing your tasteless bashing of the film earlier in the Awards area), is poetical. IMHO Hm, ya, a sick freak living in the dirty sewers of Paris all but violently assaults an innocent but naive and stupid young girl, and both are enaged in a relationship which is all but a metaphor for a laughable love affair. Add in the fact that he's also a daddy-figure, and we've got incest as well! This film covers so much ground! How moving! What a triumph! What you seem to ignore is that there is nothing genuine about this story; it just gives off the illusion of being romantic, but there is nothing inherently romantic about the story at all. The story was intended to be creepy, and it was, as indeed the character of the phantom is. Trying to make it into a romance is an awful idea, it just doesn't work.

Author:	Maximus [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:02 pm ]
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Forget it. I was being an ass by hoping a movie fan would appreciate a brilliant movie. Then, I remembered you liked the shit fest Lord of the Rings.

Author:	Archangel [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:03 pm ]
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zach wrote: jb007 wrote: zach wrote: The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise Yeah, sure. Might overtake Shrek 2 for the number one movie of 2004 Don't be silly. But it will do very, very well on its expansion platform, I suspect. I am refering to you assclowns who think it will make 20m and fall off the face of the planet. I have confidence on a much more robust intake. Box, if anything, The Phantom deserves incredible business. It's better than The Incredibles. Who cares if you don't think every verse isn't poetic.... the very idea, which you fail to grasp, I suppose (after seeing your tasteless bashing of the film earlier in the Awards area), is poetical. IMHO These people don't get it and they probably never will, .....and i'm sure you know that their hatred runs deeper than just the movie itself (even though they haven't seen it)....LOL

Author:	Box [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:06 pm ]
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zach wrote: Forget it. I was being an ass by hoping a movie fan would appreciate a brilliant movie. Then, I remembered you liked the shit fest Lord of the Rings. There is absolutely no connection between The Phantom of the Opera and LOTR. I liked Casablanca too, does that mean Casablanca is crap as well? What criteria are you using to place Phantom on such a high podium at the expense of other films?

Author:	Box [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:13 pm ]
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And for everyone's information, I made a post in the Awards forum criticizing the horrible lyrics of the atrocious songs. Unless anyone can argue against my points based on the content of the lyrics themselves, instead of attacking me on something completely different, I will consider my points to be valid: box_2005 wrote: Maybe I can provide an explanation of why the critics, as well as those who appreciate music, might bash this kid to hell and back. Consider these lyrics: Christine: In sleep he sang to me In dreams he came That voice which calls to me And speaks my name And do I dream again? For now I find The phantom of the opera is there, Inside my mind Phantom: Sing once again with me Our strange duet My power over you Grows stronger yet And though you turn from me to glance behind The phantom of the opera is there Inside your mind Ok, so what is the intended scenario? One of two things, I should hope: 1) The Phantom wants to turn Christine into a successful singer. The relationship is between a teacher and a student then 2) They're in love. Do those lyrics suggest anything of that kind? Of course not! The poor girl is terrified, and the horrific words of the phantom imply an almost violent overtaking of the girl. This is a terrible way to communicate either 1) or 2). Consider the lyrics that follow up on it: And in this labrinth Where night is blind The Phantom of the opera is here/there How can night be blind? What does that mean? The night cannot be possibly blind; that's a qualification reserved for living beings, not for a concept of time. People can be blind during the night, yes, but the night itself is not. Consider another atrocious song: Slowly, gently night unfurls its splendour . . . Grasp it, sense it - tremulous and tender . . . Grasp what? What exactly is there to grasp? What splendour is this guy talking about? If I were Christine, I'd be confused as hell right now. What am I supposed to look at? The freak? Or something in the night that isn't there? Well, it's supposed to be night's splendour, so I guess that's a clue. Urgh, awful awful lyrics. Let's go further: You alone can make my song take flight - help me make the music of the night . . Oh ya, ok, so that's why he's got her down there. He wants to make babies then? If you view it from that perspective, consider how the meaning of those lyrics beforehand changes: Close your eyes and surrender to your darkest dreams! Purge your thoughts of the life you knew before! Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar! And you'll live as you've never lived before . . . Softly, deftly, music shall surround you . . . Feel it, hear it, closing in around you . . . Open up your mind, let your fantasies unwind, in this darkness which you know you cannot fight - the darkness of the music of the night . . . Let your mind start a journey through a strange new world! So, he wants Christine to: 1) surrounder to her darkest dreams. I wander what those are supposed to be, hm... 2) let her spirit soar? How, orgasm? Nice... 3) you know you cannot fight it -- oh ya, that is real smooth, ain't it? As if the freak abducting you isn't enough, now he will force you to do anything he wants. How romantic. This is bad music, really bad music. And the lyrics aren't the only problem, it's the bombast. Too much of a (to begin with) bad thing just is...wrong. The original story was meant to be very creepy, and it was. You can see how the Phantom really is a creepy character. How can a film possibly attempt to turn this into a romance? It's just nonsensical. And as for the merit of the music, well, I gave some reasons above as to why it's not all that great as it seems to be. So, I'd say no, this definitely does not deserve a nomination when you have other much better films out there.

Author:	Terminator1997 [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:14 pm ]
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great for fockers