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Author:  Dr. Lecter [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:04 pm ]
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Openers:

Ocean's Twelve - 3,290
Blade: Trinity - 2,912
Spanglish - 1,119 sneaks on 12/11 (Sony)
The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou - 2 (LA, NYC)


Expanding:

Closer - 622 +146
Finding Neverland - 537 +11
Cellular - 87 +2
The Machinist - 72 +12


No Change:

The Spongebob Squarepants Movie - 3307


Decreasing:

Christmas with the Kranks - 3,294 -122
The Polar Express - 3,257 -393
National Treasure - 3,203 -40
The Incredibles - 2,656 -522
Alexander - 2,125 -320
Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason - 1,700 -733
Ray - 1,125 -422
After the Sunset - 1,019 -870
Shall We Dance - 618 -491
Saw - 485 -452
Sideways - 475 -24
Seed of Chucky - 362 -494
The Motorcycle Diaries - 247 -25
Kinsey - 169 -21

Author:  xiayun [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:32 pm ]
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Seed of Chucky 362 -494
The Motorcycle Diaries 247 -25
The Machinist 72 +12
Enduring Love 25 -13
Fade to Black 11 -27

Author:  Dr. Lecter [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:07 pm ]
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Thanks Michael ;)

Anyway, I am sad to see The Motorcycle Diaries losing theatres again. I can't believe that a movie that opened with a $50,000+ PTA, great reviews and a good WoM never got more than 300 theatres...stupid Focus!

Author:  torrino [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:52 pm ]
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Dr. Lecter wrote:
Thanks Michael ;)

Anyway, I am sad to see The Motorcycle Diaries losing theatres again. I can't believe that a movie that opened with a $50,000+ PTA, great reviews and a good WoM never got more than 300 theatres...stupid Focus!

I think the WoM has actually been better than the reviews. Critics are often required to see certain films, where as, one who suspects a film to glamorize Che Guevara and has a real grudge against the guy will most likely avoid it ( *cough* box_2005 *cough*). I know it got a great reaction at theatres the two times I saw it ;)

But, yeah, Focus is doing a uber crappy job of releasing the film. But, then again, it's also possible that theatres simply don't see it bringing in enough money and with the onslaught of new indie/oscar-bait releases, there's just not enough room in the megaplexes. The Indie/Limited Release theaters have kept onto it, which is a good sign...

Author:  Dr. Lecter [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:08 pm ]
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torrino wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Thanks Michael ;)

Anyway, I am sad to see The Motorcycle Diaries losing theatres again. I can't believe that a movie that opened with a $50,000+ PTA, great reviews and a good WoM never got more than 300 theatres...stupid Focus!

I think the WoM has actually been better than the reviews. Critics are often required to see certain films, where as, one who suspects a film to glamorize Che Guevara and has a real grudge against the guy will most likely avoid it ( *cough* box_2005 *cough*). I know it got a great reaction at theatres the two times I saw it ;)

But, yeah, Focus is doing a uber crappy job of releasing the film. But, then again, it's also possible that theatres simply don't see it bringing in enough money and with the onslaught of new indie/oscar-bait releases, there's just not enough room in the megaplexes. The Indie/Limited Release theaters have kept onto it, which is a good sign...


The film does glamorize Che Guevara, though...

This is not my point, however. Considering the movie's steady PTA, one would think that it brings in enough money in the theatres. Focus already did a pretty bad job releasing Shaun of the Dead...

Author:  torrino [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:25 pm ]
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Not really. It doesn't glamorize his politics, but him as an early man who, unlike his counterpart, is not apathetic about wordly affairs, and, unlike most doctors, cares more for his patients than the inflow of money. In the trip itself, the only thing we can really like about Che is his subtlety and the few moments in which he speaks. And, of course, that's sufficient. But, the film does not, as many critics have tried to point out (IDJOTS!), go out of its way to glamorize his social ideology or him as a person. If you consider the document on which the film is based, the film isn't slanted but presents an image that was already present in the text. ;)

Focus needs to work at it, but, you have to consider everything. A good studio can't automatically get a film in wide release; theater distribution is a dual relationship: it depends on the theater companies too. Also, I'm sure Focus has analysed the situation (because, don't you think your view would be obvious to them? I mean, they're paying guys to schedule and deal with distribution who should know more than you, me, or even Brandon Gray ;)) and, possibly, has come up with the conclusion that expanding isn't worth it because the film doesn't have many Oscar chances anyways. Focus could put more effort into the expansion, but it's likely that public interest itself isn't there (and, realistically, it never is when it comes to foreign films, sadly) and they'd end up losing more money...

I think you have to admit, though, that they did a fine job with Lost in Translation...

Author:  xiayun [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:23 pm ]
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More:

Christmas with the Kranks 3,294 -122
Ocean's Twelve 3,290
The Polar Express 3,257 -393
Alexander 2,125 -320
Closer 622 +146

Author:  sako [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:34 pm ]
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pretty good for O12

Author:  Jeff [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:40 pm ]
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TPE is finally losing theaters.

Author:  Archangel [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:43 pm ]
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That's quite a good theatre count.....

Decembers are not known for the big TCs due to the big November holdovers and a larger than usual batch of movies release each weekend or expanding......

3290 puts O12 at #69 overall widest opener just above of this year's Resident Evil 2.

Outside of LOTR, no other movie has passed $14k average.....hmmm.....O11 being the closest at $12.3k.

1 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King NL $72,629,713 19.3% 3,703 $19,613 $377,027,325 12/17/03
2 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers NL $62,007,528 18.2% 3,622 $17,119 $339,789,881 12/18/02
3 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring NL $47,211,490 15.1% 3,359 $14,055 $313,364,114 12/19/01
4 Ocean's Eleven WB $38,107,822 20.8% 3,075 $12,392 $183,417,150 12/07/01
5 What Women Want Par. $33,614,543 18.4% 3,012 $11,160 $182,811,707 12/15/00
6 Scream 2 Dim. $32,926,342 32.5% 2,663 $12,364 $101,363,301 12/12/97
7 Catch Me If You Can DW $30,053,627 18.3% 3,156 $9,522 $164,615,351 12/25/02
8 Cast Away Fox $28,883,406 12.4% 2,774 $10,412 $233,632,142 12/22/00
9 Titanic Par. $28,638,131 4.8% 2,674 $10,709 $600,788,188 12/19/97
10 Cheaper by the Dozen Fox $27,557,647 19.9% 3,298 $8,355 $138,614,544 12/25/03

Author:  Dr. Lecter [ Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:17 am ]
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Actually, I expected at least 3,400 theatres for Ocean's Twelve, but I gues 3,290 is fine as well.

The Polar Express should be able to hold on very well even with this theatre loss.

Author:  Algren [ Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:29 am ]
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Bloody good hold for Polar Express :D Cool count for Oceans Twelve too ;) im happy.

Shame Blade: Trinity got more than 2,5000 :x

Author:  jb007 [ Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:32 am ]
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Algren wrote:
Bloody good hold for Polar Express :D Cool count for Oceans Twelve too ;) im happy.

Shame Blade: Trinity got more than 2,5000 :x


OMG, it is an all-time record :lol:

Author:  Algren [ Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:44 am ]
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jb007 wrote:
Algren wrote:
Shame Blade: Trinity got more than 2,5000 :x


OMG, it is an all-time record :lol:


:lol:

Author:  Bodrul [ Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:12 pm ]
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Good numbers but i expected atleast 3500 for O12, but 3290 is not bad at all. Also good for TPE, i think The Incredibles is going to lose quite a few theaters this weekend

Author:  Algren [ Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:18 pm ]
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hans wrote:
i think The Incredibles is going to lose quite a few theaters this weekend


Hope not :cry:

Although i see that it has made more money that Polar Express, so i suppose its fair.

Author:  rusty [ Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:39 pm ]
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torrino wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Thanks Michael ;)

Anyway, I am sad to see The Motorcycle Diaries losing theatres again. I can't believe that a movie that opened with a $50,000+ PTA, great reviews and a good WoM never got more than 300 theatres...stupid Focus!

I think the WoM has actually been better than the reviews. Critics are often required to see certain films, where as, one who suspects a film to glamorize Che Guevara and has a real grudge against the guy will most likely avoid it ( *cough* box_2005 *cough*). I know it got a great reaction at theatres the two times I saw it ;)

But, yeah, Focus is doing a uber crappy job of releasing the film. But, then again, it's also possible that theatres simply don't see it bringing in enough money and with the onslaught of new indie/oscar-bait releases, there's just not enough room in the megaplexes. The Indie/Limited Release theaters have kept onto it, which is a good sign...


BURN THAT COMMIE TO HELL! :evil:

Author:  zingy [ Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:44 pm ]
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It seems that Blade: Trinity won't be increasing the amount of theaters for the weekend. :(

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/counts/cha ... =50&p=.htm

Author:  Bodrul [ Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:51 pm ]
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spongebob still hasn't lost any theaters since opening :shock:

Author:  MGKC [ Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:54 pm ]
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Spongebob is FINALLY #1 for something!!! Woooohoo! Go Spongebob!!!!

Author:  Libs [ Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:07 pm ]
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December 17 Estimates
A Series of Unfortunate Events - 3,000+
Flight of the Phoenix - 2,700
Spanglish - 2,200+

Author:  Dr. Lecter [ Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:34 pm ]
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torrino wrote:
Not really. It doesn't glamorize his politics, but him as an early man who, unlike his counterpart, is not apathetic about wordly affairs, and, unlike most doctors, cares more for his patients than the inflow of money. In the trip itself, the only thing we can really like about Che is his subtlety and the few moments in which he speaks. And, of course, that's sufficient. But, the film does not, as many critics have tried to point out (IDJOTS!), go out of its way to glamorize his social ideology or him as a person. If you consider the document on which the film is based, the film isn't slanted but presents an image that was already present in the text. ;)


Considering the point of view from which that text was written, it obviously was biased, hehe. You could also cinematically adapt "Mein Kampf" and then claim that you only adapt what is being presented, hehe.

Nonetheless, I want to see it.

torrino wrote:
Focus needs to work at it, but, you have to consider everything. A good studio can't automatically get a film in wide release; theater distribution is a dual relationship: it depends on the theater companies too. Also, I'm sure Focus has analysed the situation (because, don't you think your view would be obvious to them? I mean, they're paying guys to schedule and deal with distribution who should know more than you, me, or even Brandon Gray ;)) and, possibly, has come up with the conclusion that expanding isn't worth it because the film doesn't have many Oscar chances anyways. Focus could put more effort into the expansion, but it's likely that public interest itself isn't there (and, realistically, it never is when it comes to foreign films, sadly) and they'd end up losing more money...

I think you have to admit, though, that they did a fine job with Lost in Translation...


Maybe....or maybe LiT just got its own job done by keeping attracting the audiences. Sure, one can bring up this foreign movies argument, but what is with Shaun of the Dead? Dawn of the Dead obviously has proven that zombie movies can be successful and Shaun of the Dead was getting excellent reviews...meh...

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