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50 dead, 406 hurt. ISIS claims responsibility.

Not surprising anymore.


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About the suspect:

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Before Las Vegas shooting, gunman was settling into retirement
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(Reuters) - At first glance, it seemed Stephen Paddock, 64, was set for a quiet life in a desert retirement community where he bought a new home in 2015. From there it was only an hour’s drive to Las Vegas - where he would embark on the worst mass shooting in recent U.S. history.

Public records point to an itinerant existence across the American West: a few years in coastal California, a few years in other parts of Nevada. Paddock had a hunting license in Texas, where he lived for at least a few years. He got his pilot license, and had at least one single-engine aircraft registered in his name.

In early 2015, he bought a modest two-story home in a new housing development for retirees on the dusty edge of Mesquite, a small desert town popular with golfers and gamblers that straddles the Nevada border with Arizona.

“It’s a nice, clean home and nothing out of the ordinary,” Quinn Averett, a Mesquite police department spokesman, told reporters on Monday. Some guns and ammunition were found inside, though nothing remarkable in a region where gun ownership is high.

An hour’s drive southwest is Las Vegas, where Paddock would check into a 32nd-floor room last Thursday at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino with at least 10 rifles for a shooting spree that would kill least 50 people and hurt more than 400.

Eric Paddock, the shooter’s brother, said the family was “bewildered” as to what drove him to mass murder, saying the family would release a brief statement through the sheriff’s office in Orlando, Florida, where some of the shooter’s relatives live.

Stephen Paddock had no criminal record other than a traffic infraction, authorities said.

Before moving to Mesquite, Nevada, he lived in another town called Mesquite in Texas. He was listed as the manager of an apartment complex called Central Park. A woman who answered the telephone for the complex referred questions to another manager, who did not respond to messages.

Records as recently as 2015 list Paddock as single. Police and public records said he lived with Marilou Danley in the Nevada retirement community. Danley described herself as a “casinos professional,” as well as a mother and grandmother on social media websites.

She was traveling outside the country, and police say she had no connection with the attack, CNN reported.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lasvegas-shooting-gunman/before-las-vegas-shooting-gunman-was-settling-into-retirement-idUSKCN1C721O



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This Guardian correspondent provides some good analysis about the IS claim:

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Jason Burke, the Guardian’s Africa correspondent and author of The New Threat, a work on the Islamic State and other terrorist groups, writes that the public and the press need to be skeptical of claims that the Las Vegas shooter converted to Islam or was somehow linked to an international group.

The Isis claim of responsibility for Las Vegas shooting appears to have been first published on Amaq news agency, an ISIS communication channel which has seen many previous such statements. We need to be very prudent assessing this one. The profile of the attacker alone urges extreme caution, and US officials have already said they have no evidence of any link to the group.

Until around a year ago, Isis claims tended to be reliable. The group used carefully calibrated wording to indicate its degree of involvement of the group, and, if there was some exaggeration, there was limited outright fabrication. The group often provided proof of its involvement through videos recorded by attackers before an incident.

Isis also started quoting “security sources”, which are thought by security officials to be close friends or relatives, contacted by the group, who confirmed an individual’s motivation and loyalties. Sometimes of these appear to have been “interviewed” by Isis after an attack to back up its claim.

But in recent months Isis, facing military defeat and the loss of territories, have repeatedly made claims which have been shown to utterly unjustified. Isis claimed a role in the Westminster attacks in March – and an exhaustive investigation found no link. The group claimed a shooting in a Philippines casino in June, where the attacker was an gambler with large debts and a drinking problem. There are many other examples.

This claim today describes the shooter in Las Vegas as a “soldier” of the Isis, who converted to Islam several months ago. This is theoretically possible of course but seems far fetched, not least because he committed suicide.

Islamic militant groups launch “fedayeen” actions in which death is a near certainty, thus becoming “martyrs”, but they do not ever take their own lives in this way, which is seen as a terrible sin.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-two-dead-in-mandalay-bay-casino-shooting-latest-updates?CMP=share_btn_tw&page=with:block-59d259e0e4b00d657809cf6f#block-59d259e0e4b00d657809cf6f


The rolling update of the incident by The Guardian is more thorough and insightful than the TV news channels. Kudos to the journalists there.


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'No way to prevent this,' says only nation where this regularly happens


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The shooter did have the gun illegally, so gun control laws would not have prevented this shooting.

Not that I'm opposed to a nice background check and mental health evaluation before people are sold guns. :thumbsup:


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It is awful what happened there. Also, I really doubt he was ISIS. I think they jumped at before they knew who he even was.


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It is awful what happened there. Also, I really doubt he was ISIS. I think they jumped at before they knew who he even was.


It has since been confirmed to be not ISIS.


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The shooter did have the gun illegally, so gun control laws would not have prevented this shooting.

Not that I'm opposed to a nice background check and mental health evaluation before people are sold guns. :thumbsup:


I don't doubt he bought it legally, but probably through some loophole. Nevada is one of the easiest places to buy guns.


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The red carpet premiere for Blade Runner 2049 has been cancelled as a result of this shooting.

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The shooter did have the gun illegally


Source?


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Just heard someone from my small town I knew from school was one of the victims. And the really fucked up part is when we were in high school her brother died. What must be going through the mind of her parents

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That info hasn't been released yet. Zwacks come on. They haven't even released yet whether he was killed or committed suicide. All they know is the guy was dead when they found him

They have 42 guns and counting. It'll be impossible to say how they were bought. I believe he has two more possible stashes that they are attempting to get. But so far, everything appears to be on the Legal spectrum. 34 at least.

I have two friends staying there at Mandalay. Haven't heard from them yet. Truly horrible.

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Funny that he lived in two towns in different states, both called Mesquite.

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Listening to the talk show host's monologues about the shooting and gun violence and Trump and what-not is touching, but ultimately pointless. Nothing will change. This is just another reason for the whole world to laugh at the USA. Not laugh at the victims of a tragedy. But laugh at the idiocy regarding gun laws. There should be a special day every year for gun shootings. America seems to love them so much, why not celebrate it! Like Christmas and Halloween. I would suggest in June. There's not much happening in June. Why not have a federal holiday? ... Mass Shooting Day.

And don't say Americans don't like mass shootings. If Americans didn't like them, they'd do something to stop them. And so far they've done fuck all besides hope and pray. I wonder if that's helping.

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ISIS claims responsibility.

So is that true or just more nonsense lies from the press?

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Aside from the gun control debate, this also brings up the question of terrorism. People are saying “call this domestic terrrorism”, but it’s fucking not, and it has nothing to do with him being white. This was not politically or religiously motivated as far as we know, which is what Terrorism is. People using this tragedy to express their hatred of white people and men is far worse than using it to trash the second amendment and nra.


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Aside from the gun control debate, this also brings up the question of terrorism. People are saying “call this domestic terrrorism”, but it’s fucking not, and it has nothing to do with him being white. This was not politically or religiously motivated as far as we know, which is what Terrorism is. People using this tragedy to express their hatred of white people and men is far worse than using it to trash the second amendment and nra.



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Aside from the gun control debate, this also brings up the question of terrorism. People are saying “call this domestic terrrorism”, but it’s fucking not, and it has nothing to do with him being white. This was not politically or religiously motivated as far as we know, which is what Terrorism is. People using this tragedy to express their hatred of white people and men is far worse than using it to trash the second amendment and nra.


How do you know it was not domestic terrorism? We do not know the motive. But we know for now: the shooting was indiscriminate, its targets were civilians, it caused chaos and panic, and the alleged shooter was a local. So far it has fitted the often loose definition of "terrorism".

"Terrorism" is a term often abused by politicians. Politicians use it before the facts come out and the unquestioning media parrot it. A recent case in mind: Trump called London subway bomb attackers "loser terrorists" and advocated for Muslim ban, before a suspect was named.


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zwackerm wrote:
Aside from the gun control debate, this also brings up the question of terrorism. People are saying “call this domestic terrrorism”, but it’s fucking not, and it has nothing to do with him being white. This was not politically or religiously motivated as far as we know, which is what Terrorism is. People using this tragedy to express their hatred of white people and men is far worse than using it to trash the second amendment and nra.


How do you know it was not domestic terrorism? We do not know the motive. But we know for now: the shooting was indiscriminate, its targets were civilians, it caused chaos and panic, and the alleged shooter was a local. So far it has fitted the often loose definition of "terrorism".

"Terrorism" is a term often abused by politicians. Politicians use it before the facts come out and the unquestioning media parrot it. A recent case in mind: Trump called London subway bomb attackers "loser terrorists" and advocated for Muslim ban, before a suspect was named.


Well if we found the motive was political or religious then it would be terrorism.

A Christian shooting up a Planned Parenthood in the name of God? Terrorism. Random shooting for unknown reasons? Not necessarily Terrorism.


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A CBS VP said they were not sympathetic towards the victims because fans at country music shows are often "Republican gun toters".

Jesus, America. What an awful hateful country you have created. Such divide.

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Jesus, America. What an awful hateful country you have created. Such divide.


This.


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Listening to the talk show host's monologues about the shooting and gun violence and Trump and what-not is touching, but ultimately pointless. Nothing will change. This is just another reason for the whole world to laugh at the USA. Not laugh at the victims of a tragedy. But laugh at the idiocy regarding gun laws. There should be a special day every year for gun shootings. America seems to love them so much, why not celebrate it! Like Christmas and Halloween. I would suggest in June. There's not much happening in June. Why not have a federal holiday? ... Mass Shooting Day.

And don't say Americans don't like mass shootings. If Americans didn't like them, they'd do something to stop them. And so far they've done fuck all besides hope and pray. I wonder if that's helping.


#PrayFor #Praying is the American response, or lack thereof, to any tragedy. It's the harsh truth. Shootings are, to many, simply an occurrence that unfortunately happens at the expense of maintaining freedom, and rights.

Guns, afterall, don't kill people; people kill people. Guns are for one's protection, and for entertainment such as for horse racing or aiming at human shaped targets; they're not for killing. Or so the argument goes, so the fault would then be on people, yes? If so, how do we make sure that the wrong people don't get their hands on guns? There are primarily two options available: We can regulate and implement control laws, but that'd be imposing on one's individual rights. That's not allowed. And besides, even if we did this, crazy people who then steal the guns anyway and still end up performing mass shootings. It'd solve nothing. So, how about better education, especially beginning at a young age? What about providing more mental health funding and better medical treatment for ill people? That's too expensive, we can't afford such care, obviously.

Rights and money are way more valuable than human life, we just like to say the opposite so we don't feel too bad.

So, in the end, nothing can be or will be done to help prevent, or simply minimize, mass shootings from happening. They're simply an unfortunate occurrence, that we can only hope and pray don't happen again... until next time, and the time after that.

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Politicians have done such a good job distracting and getting people off the topic. WHO THE FUCK CARES IF IT IS CALLED TERRORISM OR NOT.

Hellen Keller could see that it should not be so easy for one person to kill so many people so quickly.

Murders will murder. That is fact.
But we can lower the amount of them in the loose.
We can make it more difficult to commit the crime.
We can make it more difficult to murder people in large numbers.
We can make it take longer to commit the crime.

It's true. God is watching their response. The Republicans who value NRA money or the right to own a gun over human lives or a citizens right to reasonable safety SHOULD be praying from forgiveness from god who is absolutely judging their inaction on this absurd issue, ,

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