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Author:  zwackerm [ Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Trans people in gendered activities
So there's an all male a cappella group at my school and one of the guys in it is a trans female. He's still been acting like a boy and going by his boy name, but he definitely plans to become His female persona permanently in the near future. Should he still be allowed in the a cappella group?
Author:  Jmart [ Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:40 pm ]
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No. Acapella groups are nauseating.
Author:  FILMO [ Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:54 pm ]
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If the group is called Transapella it is ok.
Author:  Shack [ Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:19 pm ]
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It's sounds like he's still going by his male persona so sure. Plus it's a capella, not Olympic sprinting, it doesn't seem like that big a deal
Author:  Groucho [ Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:24 pm ]
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Are you in the group and have a say in who gets to be a member?
Author:  zwackerm [ Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:55 pm ]
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Groucho wrote:
Are you in the group and have a say in who gets to be a member?

No, but he (she technically I guess now) is dating my friend and I'm curious to see what will happen.

And will that make her gay? Or bi? Will she still be attracted to her physically once she has a womanly figure? She's very supportive and wants to stay with her.
Author:  i.hope [ Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:04 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:

And will that make her gay? Or bi? Will she still be attracted to her physically once she has a womanly figure? She's very supportive and wants to stay with her.


Why don't you simply ask her? Don't make it like a cliffhanger in a soap drama.
Author:  Mau [ Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:30 pm ]
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why are you so retarded?


should you be allowed to go to college?
Author:  zwackerm [ Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:50 pm ]
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Mau wrote:
why are you so retarded?


should you be allowed to go to college?

Yes, I think I should be allowed.
Author:  BJ [ Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:25 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:
So there's an all male a cappella group at my school and one of the guys in it is a trans female. He's still been acting like a boy and going by his boy name, but he definitely plans to become His female persona permanently in the near future. Should he still be allowed in the a cappella group?

Yup
Author:  Groucho [ Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:40 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:
Groucho wrote:
Are you in the group and have a say in who gets to be a member?

No, but he (she technically I guess now) is dating my friend and I'm curious to see what will happen.


Well, the bottom line is still that it's none of your business and whatever decision they make doesn't affect you in the slightest. So let them do whatever they want.
Author:  zwackerm [ Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:30 pm ]
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Groucho wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Groucho wrote:
Are you in the group and have a say in who gets to be a member?

No, but he (she technically I guess now) is dating my friend and I'm curious to see what will happen.


Well, the bottom line is still that it's none of your business and whatever decision they make doesn't affect you in the slightest. So let them do whatever they want.

Well duh. I am just very curious.

Don't be such a prick.
Author:  publicenemy#1 [ Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:59 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:
And will that make her gay? Or bi? Will she still be attracted to her physically once she has a womanly figure? She's very supportive and wants to stay with her.

We have no way of knowing because we don't actually know this person's girlfriend. Sexuality is complicated. Maybe she'll be attracted to her as a girl, maybe it'll be a problem for her, maybe it won't be a problem at all and it'll work. I guess only she knows.
Author:  zwackerm [ Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:49 pm ]
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publicenemy#1 wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
And will that make her gay? Or bi? Will she still be attracted to her physically once she has a womanly figure? She's very supportive and wants to stay with her.

We have no way of knowing because we don't actually know this person's girlfriend. Sexuality is complicated. Maybe she'll be attracted to her as a girl, maybe it'll be a problem for her, maybe it won't be a problem at all and it'll work. I guess only she knows.


Thanks for actually answering my question!

Fuck you Groucho. :P
Author:  Groucho [ Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:12 pm ]
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Well, I see too many people concerned about this, when it really doesn't affect them. Oh noes, trans people want to use the bathroom! They want to be in the army! They want to have relationships and get married!

Who cares? How does it hurt anyone in the slightest? Let them do what they want to do.

I really hate this attitude wherein we act like we should get to make their life decisions for them. And your question seemed to be more of that.
Author:  stuffp [ Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:40 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:
So there's an all male a cappella group at my school and one of the guys in it is a trans female. He's still been acting like a boy and going by his boy name, but he definitely plans to become His female persona permanently in the near future. Should he still be allowed in the a cappella group?


As long as that person identifies as a boy in the present, then they should still be allowed.
What if the person changes their mind, *poof* gone with the a capella career for no reason then.

Btw. the person still sounds like a boy right? Because if the person sounded like a girl their might be compatibility issues with the group's sound that go beyond the person's transgender status.
Author:  zwackerm [ Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:56 pm ]
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Groucho wrote:
Well, I see too many people concerned about this, when it really doesn't affect them. Oh noes, trans people want to use the bathroom! They want to be in the army! They want to have relationships and get married!

Who cares? How does it hurt anyone in the slightest? Let them do what they want to do.

I really hate this attitude wherein we act like we should get to make their life decisions for them. And your question seemed to be more of that.

In general I agree.

But with gendered aspects of society it raises questions.

And it does affect me if I audition for the group and lose out on a spot because of her.
Author:  Mau [ Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trans people in gendered activities
zwackerm wrote:
Groucho wrote:
Well, I see too many people concerned about this, when it really doesn't affect them. Oh noes, trans people want to use the bathroom! They want to be in the army! They want to have relationships and get married!

Who cares? How does it hurt anyone in the slightest? Let them do what they want to do.

I really hate this attitude wherein we act like we should get to make their life decisions for them. And your question seemed to be more of that.

In general I agree.

But with gendered aspects of society it raises questions.

And it does affect me if I audition for the group and lose out on a spot because of her.


You lose it because he/she is better than you. Not because of his/her sexuality. Don't blame your obvious shortcommings on other people
Author:  zwackerm [ Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:54 am ]
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Mau wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Groucho wrote:
Well, I see too many people concerned about this, when it really doesn't affect them. Oh noes, trans people want to use the bathroom! They want to be in the army! They want to have relationships and get married!

Who cares? How does it hurt anyone in the slightest? Let them do what they want to do.

I really hate this attitude wherein we act like we should get to make their life decisions for them. And your question seemed to be more of that.

In general I agree.

But with gendered aspects of society it raises questions.

And it does affect me if I audition for the group and lose out on a spot because of her.


You lose it because he/she is better than you. Not because of his/her sexuality. Don't blame your obvious shortcommings on other people

But if they're a girl, they shouldn't be allowed in the group unless they want to make it a coed group. My school already has a girls a cappella and a coed a cappella group. She should join one of those. (And yes I know it's not up to me Groucho, simply stating an opinion).

I'd hope that she would quit. If she's really going to become a girl she should leave her male life behind completely.
Author:  Mau [ Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:05 am ]
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Trump voter detector activated
Author:  zwackerm [ Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:13 am ]
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Mau wrote:
Trump voter detector activated

I didn't vote this year.
Author:  Groucho [ Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trans people in gendered activities
zwackerm wrote:
But if they're a girl, they shouldn't be allowed in the group unless they want to make it a coed group. My school already has a girls a cappella and a coed a cappella group. She should join one of those. (And yes I know it's not up to me Groucho, simply stating an opinion).

I'd hope that she would quit. If she's really going to become a girl she should leave her male life behind completely.


Well, see, you're still doing it. You're telling this group who they can admit. It's not your business. If they want to be a male group with one girl, there's no law saying they can't. That's the point I was trying to make.

Don't like it? Start your own group.
Author:  imtim83 [ Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:15 pm ]
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I love trans people!

Jazz is awesome! Go Jazz!

I am Jazz is awesome.
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