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The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fascism
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Author:  nghtvsn [ Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:46 pm ]
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i.hope wrote:
How come did Rudy Giuliani, a non-US official and Trump's coffee boy, end up acting as the middleman between the US and Ukraine presidents and doing the "investigative" work for the DoJ and the Ukraine?


Because he’s a private citizen and can investigate whatever he wants. Next...

Author:  i.hope [ Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:09 am ]
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nghtvsn wrote:
i.hope wrote:
How come did Rudy Giuliani, a non-US official and Trump's coffee boy, end up acting as the middleman between the US and Ukraine presidents and doing the "investigative" work for the DoJ and the Ukraine?


Because he’s a private citizen and can investigate whatever he wants. Next...


The US president asked the Ukrainian president in a White House phone call to contact Giuliani about a former Ukrainian ambassador and a former Ukrainian prosecutor.

Using the office of President to conduct "private" matters...

Link to the whistleblower complaint: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/26/whistleblower-trump-ukraine-read-in-full-text-document

Author:  nghtvsn [ Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:00 am ]
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Yes, the President can ask Zelensky to do that.

Author:  Chippy [ Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:04 am ]
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"yes, the president can do things that are illegal, and impeachable"

Author:  nghtvsn [ Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:46 am ]
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According to demoncrats any phone call with another president is impeachable. Fake whistleblower hearsay nonsense is impeachable. Fake Russian collusion is impeachable. If that's the case...just DO IT. Call up Nancy and tell her to hold the damn vote. Of course, we know how this all ends anyway. There is 0.00% chance the Senate would convict Trump over trumped up nonsense but you guys impeach him and keep everything besides budget bills frozen in Congress. That's a great strategy.

Author:  Groucho [ Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:02 am ]
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Yes, how dare we do the right thing. We should make decisions solely on political reasons, and not on legal ones. We should not do what is best for the country, and only do what is best for the party.

Oh wait. That's been Republican strategy for many years. My bad.

Author:  Groucho [ Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:02 am ]
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Also: Police should never investigate anything if there is the slightest possibility they might lose.

Author:  nghtvsn [ Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:07 am ]
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I'm almost positive you've written Speaker Pelosi an impassioned plea for her to call the vote to bring up articles of impeachment. Good job. I hope she listens to you so Trump can get acquitted by the Senate and just add that to his talking points at his rallies.

Author:  Libs [ Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:47 am ]
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nghtvsn wrote:
I'm almost positive you've written Speaker Pelosi an impassioned plea for her to call the vote to bring up articles of impeachment. Good job. I hope she listens to you so Trump can get acquitted by the Senate and just add that to his talking points at his rallies.


Thoughts and prayers for Trump.

Author:  Chippy [ Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:32 am ]
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nghtvsn wrote:
According to demoncrats any phone call with another president is impeachable. Fake whistleblower hearsay nonsense is impeachable. Fake Russian collusion is impeachable. If that's the case...just DO IT. Call up Nancy and tell her to hold the damn vote. Of course, we know how this all ends anyway. There is 0.00% chance the Senate would convict Trump over trumped up nonsense but you guys impeach him and keep everything besides budget bills frozen in Congress. That's a great strategy.


Hey how many bills have the House passed and piece of shit McConnell has just let die in the Senate?

Author:  nghtvsn [ Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:15 pm ]
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Come on now. This isn't unusual and the main issue is the 60 vote rule. Get rid of that and then both sides will be able to pass whatever they want in most cases, however, as much as we all probably hate that rule it's there so at least SOME in the minority support a bill and it should be voted upon yay or nay.

Personally, I want the rule done away with because I have no doubt Schumer would get rid of it if he had the chance now.

Author:  Corpse [ Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:08 pm ]
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Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:14 pm ]
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:funny: :funny: :funny: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

Author:  i.hope [ Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:11 pm ]
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When Trump's cover is blown, he doubles down and does it again, in public, asking another foreign country to investigate the Bidens.

Author:  i.hope [ Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:20 pm ]
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The Trump admin appeared to have directed Ukraine on what to investigate and Trump's personal lawyer Giuliani insisted any Ukrainian public statement expressly reference "Burisma", Hunter Biden's former company. Ukraine ultimately refused to issue a statement making these references.

Text exchanges between US Ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland and senior US diplomat in Ukraine, Bill Taylor:
Quote:
August 30
Taylor: “Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?”

Sondland: “Call me.”

September 9
Taylor: "As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."

Sondland: "Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions. The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo's of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign.I suggest we stop the back and forth by text. If you still have concerns I recommend you give [State Department Executive Secretary] Lisa Kenna or S [meaning Secretary Pompeo] a call to discuss [with] them directly."


https://www.lawfareblog.com/volker-texts-what-quid-pro-quo-looks

Author:  Chippy [ Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:13 am ]
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Insanity.

Author:  Shack [ Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:51 pm ]
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Buttigieg might be in the race. He is 2nd in Iowa

Author:  Chippy [ Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:21 pm ]
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Beto dropped out

Not the one I would've guessed.

Author:  Corpse [ Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:23 pm ]
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Harris may be next. Her campaign has nearly pulled out of New Hampshire this week to go all-in on Iowa, where she's fallen below 5%. She's also fallen below 5% nationally.

I suppose she has enough cash on hand to reach the Iowa primary (especially since she's largely abandoning New Hampshire now), but if shes ends up getting like 3%, she'll likely drop out right after.

Author:  Chippy [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:00 am ]
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Impeachment hearings starting soon :)

Author:  i.hope [ Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:57 pm ]
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Trump impeachment inquiry: day one of public hearings


The hearing begins at 27:35.

Author:  i.hope [ Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:01 pm ]
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What the witnesses said during the hearing via PBS NewsHour:






This is what news should be focusing on (witness testimonies instead of the theatricals from the Congress people).

Author:  Chippy [ Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:34 pm ]
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Trump's CAMPAIGN TEAM made and tweeted this out. Honestly, the dumbest people alive.


Author:  i.hope [ Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:56 pm ]
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Two articles of impeachment were approved today. House vote on impeachment is likely next week.

The whole thing happened without much of suspense. Trump asked the Ukrainian president to investigate the Bidens. Witnesses testified military aid and an Oval Office meeting were withheld unless Ukraine made a public announcement about investigating the Bidens. According to Trump, he cared about corruption in Ukraine so much he was demanding Ukraine investigate itself.

Quote:
On a straight party-line vote, the House judiciary committee voted on Friday morning to move two articles of impeachment against Donald Trump to the House floor, in a crucial final stage before impeachment itself.

A full House vote on whether to impeach the president was expected to be taken as early as Wednesday. Trump would be the third president in American history to be impeached.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/13/house-committee-donald-trump-impeachment-vote

Author:  Chippy [ Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:24 pm ]
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Like, this is obvious. I don't understand people saying it didn't happen.

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