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Trump's fans regarding his recent 'go back where you came from' tweets - "That's why we voted for him!"


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That's actually a true statement but not in the way you want to paint it and of the course the fantastic press and media bots all drag out the R word again and go after the voters yet again.

It's so TIRED but hey if that's what floats their boat and attacking his voters makes them happy. Good job. That's the best thing for him is attacking the people who voted for him.

As for those tweets all it did was make folks actually defend these radicals and of course they are all just as normal to the left as trump is to his voters so maybe it's all a wash in the end, yet I think voters would be more offended at politicians who call detention camps concentration camps, compare border security to nazis, chuckle when talking about terrorists, prioritize illegal aliens over citizens. Those are all winning comments vs someone promoting the (R word) america first idea.

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Eh it should be less attack and more warning to Dems- don’t overplay the racism card because its not gonna help. That part goes with the territory. Especially since its working so well to bring down Biden, will be so tempting but they have to stick to why they are better and not why the Others are worse.


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HELP WHAT?

Racist fucks like nghtvsn aren't voting democrat. They voted for a fucking racist piece of shit. They have no morals, why would I cater my policy to them? Like, what fucking world do we want to appease these hateful motherfuckers?

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Which tweet are we talking about? The one where he’s like

Our Country is Free, Beautiful and Very Successful. If you hate our Country, or if you are not happy here, you can leave!

Thats pretty logical, honestly. It’s what I always tell Democrats.

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zwackerm wrote:
Which tweet are we talking about? The one where he’s like

Our Country is Free, Beautiful and Very Successful. If you hate our Country, or if you are not happy here, you can leave!

Thats pretty logical, honestly. It’s what I always tell Democrats.


The one where he tells 3 native-born women (who happen to be brown) to go back to the countries where they came from?

And the moron literally ran on a plank of "Make America Great Again."


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nvmd, jiffy said it better than me.

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I love how Chip is the EXACT embodiment of what turns off voters by emphatically declaring me a R word. He doesn't even know me other than by my general opinions on things and that I voted for #45. Go back in time and recall I couldn't stand Bush, couldn't stand the wars and then when the Dems swept into power claiming they'd end it. Nada, they continued. Probably thinks I'm a facist, sexist and all the ists. It's quite sad. I can't even watch a show like Pose w/o him wondering why. I bet if I were black he'd question my legitimacy. It's sad but you are full left, white guilt, cater to folks who declare their disgust and hate for America and LOVE it and by extension you do to. So that's where the divide is. I'm the R word and he's mentally ill.

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I honestly don't give a shit. Your opinion means nothing to me. No person with a conscience voted for Trump in 2016. We knew he had raped/sexually assaulted multiple women. We knew he was a racist. We knew he was a shitty businessman. Yet... you voted for him. Which means you were OK with what he's done. You can't claim ignorance.

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zwackerm wrote:
Which tweet are we talking about? The one where he’s like

Our Country is Free, Beautiful and Very Successful. If you hate our Country, or if you are not happy here, you can leave!

Thats pretty logical, honestly. It’s what I always tell Democrats.


If a lot of people think it's okay for a top government representative to tell American citizens to "go back" because they complain about the government, we are one step closer to fascism.


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zwackerm wrote:
Which tweet are we talking about? The one where he’s like

Our Country is Free, Beautiful and Very Successful. If you hate our Country, or if you are not happy here, you can leave!

Thats pretty logical, honestly. It’s what I always tell Democrats.


The one where he tells 3 native-born women (who happen to be brown) to go back to the countries where they came from?

And the moron literally ran on a plank of "Make America Great Again."

The intention of the tweet was clearly to point out the supposed hypocrisy of their trying to fix America with socialist policy, not to express hatred for brown women.

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What's Chippy's favorite math subject?

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zwackerm wrote:
Jiffy wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Which tweet are we talking about? The one where he’s like

Our Country is Free, Beautiful and Very Successful. If you hate our Country, or if you are not happy here, you can leave!

Thats pretty logical, honestly. It’s what I always tell Democrats.


The one where he tells 3 native-born women (who happen to be brown) to go back to the countries where they came from?

And the moron literally ran on a plank of "Make America Great Again."

The intention of the tweet was clearly to point out the supposed hypocrisy of their trying to fix America with socialist policy, not to express hatred for brown women.
But the socialist policies they want are the ones from Scandinavia and other European countries, not Latin America. It doesn’t make any sense, just plays on their heritage being different.


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But a hypocritical part of the Dems side is that saying “the migrants deserve a chance at a better life” is basically the same as saying “their countries are shitty and ours is better.” Then when Trump or another Pub says the unparaphrased version of that in defense of their case it is labeled racist immediately. I think that, though its unfair, worrying that immigrants will make our country more like the ones they are fleeing is a legitimate issue that people are concerned about and it could be addressed without calling everybody racist.

Trump is a racist though. :P Or is at least comfortable exploiting it for his own benefit. Not just because of the comment but the ranting and raving he’s done to defend himself in the time since. And a lot of other things he’s said...


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Should Trump heed his own advice?

American entities that Trump has complained about or railed against (so far):

US courts, the FBI, the Federal Reserve, US Congress, former US presidents, some US judges, some current US laws, some US veterans...


He also openly praised North Korea's dictator Kim Jong-Un, whose regime has had severe human rights violations against US citizens, not to mention its own citizens. Remember NK's treatment of late Otto Warmbier?

A lot more examples where he praised other countries while criticizing the US:





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Quote:
Two weeks after taking office, Trump sat down for an interview in which he was reminded that Russian President Vladimir Putin is “a killer.” Trump replied, “There are a lot of killers. We’ve got a lot of killers. What, do you think our country’s so innocent?

Indeed, he hasn’t exactly been subtle on this point. In December 2015, then-candidate Trump was asked about Putin’s habit of invading countries and killing critics. “He’s running his country, and at least he’s a leader,” Trump replied, “unlike what we have in this country.” Reminded that Putin has been accused of ordering the murder of critics and journalists, Trump added, “Well, I think our country does plenty of killing also.

In a July 2016 interview with the New York Times, the Republican went on to argue that the United States lacks the moral authority to lead, because we’re just not a good enough country to command respect abroad. “When the world looks at how bad the United States is, and then we go and talk about civil liberties, I don’t think we’re a very good messenger,” he said.


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-wrong-messenger-trump-targets-those-who-speak-badly-the-us


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Flava'd vs The World wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Jiffy wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Which tweet are we talking about? The one where he’s like

Our Country is Free, Beautiful and Very Successful. If you hate our Country, or if you are not happy here, you can leave!

Thats pretty logical, honestly. It’s what I always tell Democrats.


The one where he tells 3 native-born women (who happen to be brown) to go back to the countries where they came from?

And the moron literally ran on a plank of "Make America Great Again."

The intention of the tweet was clearly to point out the supposed hypocrisy of their trying to fix America with socialist policy, not to express hatred for brown women.
But the socialist policies they want are the ones from Scandinavia and other European countries, not Latin America. It doesn’t make any sense, just plays on their heritage being different.

Those countries can afford those policies because they don’t spend what we do on military and defending half the world.

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zwackerm wrote:
Flava'd vs The World wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Jiffy wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Which tweet are we talking about? The one where he’s like

Our Country is Free, Beautiful and Very Successful. If you hate our Country, or if you are not happy here, you can leave!

Thats pretty logical, honestly. It’s what I always tell Democrats.


The one where he tells 3 native-born women (who happen to be brown) to go back to the countries where they came from?

And the moron literally ran on a plank of "Make America Great Again."

The intention of the tweet was clearly to point out the supposed hypocrisy of their trying to fix America with socialist policy, not to express hatred for brown women.
But the socialist policies they want are the ones from Scandinavia and other European countries, not Latin America. It doesn’t make any sense, just plays on their heritage being different.

Those countries can afford those policies because they don’t spend what we do on military and defending half the world.


Part of that spending is to secure "free trade" for the US and allies. There is a trade-off.

Maybe time to cut down on the military industrial complex?


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I honestly don't give a shit. Your opinion means nothing to me. No person with a conscience voted for Trump in 2016. We knew he had raped/sexually assaulted multiple women. We knew he was a racist. We knew he was a shitty businessman. Yet... you voted for him. Which means you were OK with what he's done. You can't claim ignorance.


:thumbsup:

Anyone bending over backwards (like quite a few people in this thread--Christians, no doubt!) to explain what POSOTUS meant by his latest bullshit and why it isn't actually racist is just fooling themselves. There aren't shades of meaning with this idiot, he's a garbage person who's managed to fail upwards his whole life--that's what being born a straight, white, rich, celebrity, asshole in America gets you.

Just as there's no educating a dipshit about how all religions are nonsense garbage, there is no educating anyone who still supports him--they like what they see, simple as that. Anything in the name of dragging this country back to the good ol' days when only straight white christian men mattered.

Seriously, though, the last several years have legit lead me to being a racist myself--I do not have nice thoughts about old white people ;) They are absolutely part ofthe problem and the US would be better off if they all decided to walk into the ocean together.


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zwackerm wrote:
Flava'd vs The World wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Jiffy wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Which tweet are we talking about? The one where he’s like

Our Country is Free, Beautiful and Very Successful. If you hate our Country, or if you are not happy here, you can leave!

Thats pretty logical, honestly. It’s what I always tell Democrats.


The one where he tells 3 native-born women (who happen to be brown) to go back to the countries where they came from?

And the moron literally ran on a plank of "Make America Great Again."

The intention of the tweet was clearly to point out the supposed hypocrisy of their trying to fix America with socialist policy, not to express hatred for brown women.
But the socialist policies they want are the ones from Scandinavia and other European countries, not Latin America. It doesn’t make any sense, just plays on their heritage being different.

Those countries can afford those policies because they don’t spend what we do on military and defending half the world.
Oh I wasn’t arguing in favor of them. They can afford them because barely anybody (relatively) lives there. If India could pull it off it’d be another story. We can use them as inspiration though.

The point of my post was that Trump was only using those failed Spanish socialist governments as examples because the target of his attack was also Spanish. If her named Alexandea Ocasovic he wouldn’t have.


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Flava'd vs The World wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Flava'd vs The World wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Jiffy wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Which tweet are we talking about? The one where he’s like

Our Country is Free, Beautiful and Very Successful. If you hate our Country, or if you are not happy here, you can leave!

Thats pretty logical, honestly. It’s what I always tell Democrats.


The one where he tells 3 native-born women (who happen to be brown) to go back to the countries where they came from?

And the moron literally ran on a plank of "Make America Great Again."

The intention of the tweet was clearly to point out the supposed hypocrisy of their trying to fix America with socialist policy, not to express hatred for brown women.
But the socialist policies they want are the ones from Scandinavia and other European countries, not Latin America. It doesn’t make any sense, just plays on their heritage being different.

Those countries can afford those policies because they don’t spend what we do on military and defending half the world.
Oh I wasn’t arguing in favor of them. They can afford them because barely anybody (relatively) lives there. If India could pull it off it’d be another story. We can use them as inspiration though.

The point of my post was that Trump was only using those failed Spanish socialist governments as examples because the target of his attack was also Spanish. If her named Alexandea Ocasovic he wouldn’t have.


Correction: Spanish speaking socialist governments and the target is also Spanish speaking, but not just Spanish. The way you worded it makes it sound like she is from Spain.
Same sentence substituting Spanish for English would also be wrong, as the British wouldn't also appreciate the honor of someone saying AOC is from the UK. They already have enough morons over there.

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I do that on purpose. #ShareTheBurden :)


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He didn't say who the tweet was about so it could have been real people in congress from another country not AOC and co. But he is an obvious racist trash bag either way. I mean he was a birther

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He didn't say who the tweet was about so it could have been real people in congress from another country not AOC and co. But he is an obvious racist trash bag either way. I mean he was a birther


Oh give me a break. He specified the "progressive democrat congresswomen". He watches fox news 24/7, who are fucking obsessed with Omar/AOC.

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Oh I wasn’t arguing in favor of them. They can afford them because barely anybody (relatively) lives there. If India could pull it off it’d be another story. We can use them as inspiration though.



Canada, Germany, Japan, and the UK are populated countries and each has some form of universal healthcare system with public insurance. Their systems are more cost-saving than the US partly due to economies of scale. They reduce overhead expenses by cutting down the middlemen and streamlining the link between healthcare providers and patients.


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