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The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fascism
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Author:  Shack [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:13 pm ]
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The left is the one acting on emotion instead of reason right now, and that' usually when the danger of unhinged things start happening

Author:  Chippy [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:15 pm ]
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Ahh yes, reason. Politely asking a mouthpiece for a pretend dictator to not eat at your restaurant because your staff feels uncomfortable vs sending death threats to the wrong restaurant and spreading child sex trafficking conspiracy theories.

Author:  Groucho [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:49 pm ]
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Shack wrote:
The left is the one acting on emotion instead of reason right now, and that' usually when the danger of unhinged things start happening


Standing up to nazis isn't reasonable?

Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:04 pm ]
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I am all for civil discourse, and I do agree the Left is only contributing to the divide in this country, but the GOP under Trump IS slipping further and further into Facism with its border policies and mercantilistic trade policies that we were told both those who are rational on the right was not going to happen

Author:  Shack [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:10 pm ]
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Groucho wrote:
Shack wrote:
The left is the one acting on emotion instead of reason right now, and that' usually when the danger of unhinged things start happening


Standing up to nazis isn't reasonable?


Trump and Sanders have nothing to do with Nazis

Author:  Groucho [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:20 pm ]
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Shack wrote:
Groucho wrote:
Shack wrote:
The left is the one acting on emotion instead of reason right now, and that' usually when the danger of unhinged things start happening


Standing up to nazis isn't reasonable?


Trump and Sanders have nothing to do with Nazis


Standing up to people who are slightly less than nazis isn't reasonable?

You're arguing terms here, when the real point is this: These terrible people are doing evil things and should be stopped. Making them think we agree is making us part of the problem.

You don't stop evil by letting it continue.

Author:  Chippy [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:30 pm ]
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Funny that Shack thinks the Nazis were always what they ended up. You do realize they started VERY similar to this, right? They were still Nazis then.

Author:  Shack [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:54 pm ]
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Groucho wrote:
Shack wrote:
Groucho wrote:
Shack wrote:
The left is the one acting on emotion instead of reason right now, and that' usually when the danger of unhinged things start happening


Standing up to nazis isn't reasonable?


Trump and Sanders have nothing to do with Nazis


Standing up to people who are slightly less than nazis isn't reasonable?

You're arguing terms here, when the real point is this: These terrible people are doing evil things and should be stopped. Making them think we agree is making us part of the problem.

You don't stop evil by letting it continue.


Slightly less than Nazis? LMAO

Author:  Shack [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:07 pm ]
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Chippy wrote:
Funny that Shack thinks the Nazis were always what they ended up. You do realize they started VERY similar to this, right? They were still Nazis then.

Neither is close to the Nazis and it's counterproductive to compare them to them. I could just as easily make a comparison between what's going on with rising extremism of the left right now and the Nazis. Say the next president was Democrat and one thing leads to another and Trump supporters get their rights stripped and end up in concentration camps. The people go ok with it cause the Trump side is the bad guys right. They're saving the world by locking them up. Doesn't sound much more far fetched than the other way around. And if you think comparing Nazis to the left is crazy, there's a reason it's called national socialism. No Hitler didn't follow through with socialist policies once he manipulated the people into giving him power, but his rise in popularity was based on socialist rhetoric and spreading the wealth and blaming the Jews for controlling the wealth in the same way Bernie does Wall Street

Author:  Chippy [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:08 pm ]
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Holy fuck. Are you actually reading what you're typing? You do realize that people that have STUDIED NAZIS have said what this Administration (and their followers) are doing, is extremely similar to what the Nazis did when rising to power?

Author:  Shack [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:14 pm ]
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Chippy wrote:
Holy fuck. Are you actually reading what you're typing? You do realize that people that have STUDIED NAZIS have said what this Administration (and their followers) are doing, is extremely similar to what the Nazis did when rising to power?


By people do you mean extreme leftists who want you to read their twitter essays? Then yes

Author:  Chippy [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:17 pm ]
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Shack thinks this is normal:

Author:  Chippy [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:20 pm ]
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Shack wrote:
Chippy wrote:
Holy fuck. Are you actually reading what you're typing? You do realize that people that have STUDIED NAZIS have said what this Administration (and their followers) are doing, is extremely similar to what the Nazis did when rising to power?


By people do you mean extreme leftists who want you to read their twitter essays? Then yes




By extreme left, I assume you mean "educated professors".

Author:  Shack [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:37 pm ]
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I understand it's easy to look at the immigration detention centers and go "Fuck! Concentration camps! They are nazis" but some context is needed. The adults are in detention cause they are in jail. This creates a problem since you can't send the kids to jail, so they have to be separated. There's no great solution at that point other than improving the conditions compared to what there is now. The question is then whether the adults should be held in jail while waiting for their court cause, or be free enough to stay with their families. I don't have a problem with people believing jail is too harsh, but the argument in favor of it is acting as a deterrent, so it is complicated. In any case between that and Trump inheriting this from previous presidents including Obama, there is a lot more here than just the bad guy doing bad things.

Author:  zwackerm [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:48 pm ]
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This is no longer relevant to the conversation, but the Republican Party wants to allow businesses their own judgment in dealing with bathrooms, not to deny trans people the right to use their bathroom. Governments do not need to be involved in bathrooms.

Author:  Chippy [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:59 pm ]
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Right, that's why they're still passing laws banning transgender people to use their correct bathroom.

Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:10 pm ]
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The GOP wants to pass laws that govern your personal life, the DEMs want to pass laws that govern your financial situation. Trump wants to do both

Author:  zwackerm [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:02 pm ]
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Chippy wrote:
Right, that's why they're still passing laws banning transgender people to use their correct bathroom.

They have not done that. All they did was roll back regulation. You can use any bathroom you want in America as long as you don’t make a big deal about it.

Author:  zwackerm [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:03 pm ]
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
The GOP wants to pass laws that govern your personal life.



Besides being pro life, which could still be argued is not personal, this is not true.

Author:  Chippy [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:07 pm ]
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lol, lord you're still so naive. maybe some day you'll grow up

Author:  Algren [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:20 pm ]
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Being an asshole by choice again, I see.

He's 20. He's allowed to be naive. Leave him alone.

Author:  Chippy [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:23 pm ]
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I'm aware. That's why I said some day.

And no, if zwackerm owned a restaurant I wouldn't be mad if he refused to serve me.

Author:  zwackerm [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:08 pm ]
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I’d serve anyone if I owned a restaurant.

Author:  Chippy [ Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:17 pm ]
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You heard it here first: zwackerm would serve Hitler if he owned a restaurant.

Author:  Jmart [ Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:30 pm ]
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At least Hitler would probably tip very well.

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