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 The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fascism 
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Sarah H Sanders essentially just said that they're separating immigrant families on purpose until "democrats fix immigration laws".

So... they're holding children hostage. In camps.

But sure, Trump isn't a fascist.


Isn't it amazing how, while they hold both Houses of Congress and the Presidency, they can still say it's all the Democrat's fault and their idiotic followers believe them?

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Isn't it funny when the Diety had a filibuster proof Senate the radicals didn't just amnesty whomever they wanted at that time? Maybe it was because even they couldn't get all their members to agree to pass it and just because the fake republicans hold 1 vote majority in the Senate that doesn't mean they actually control the Senate. They don't. We all know it.

As far as these children...don't want them separated then don't cross the border illegally while dragging your kids with you. Illegal is illegal is illegal. For some reason radicals ignore that concept when it comes to folks crossing the southern border illegally. It baffles me.

And no Trump is not a fascist. #calmdown

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If someone crosses with children, and it appears trafficking is going on, should those children be separated?

In a non-trafficking scenario and the parent is detained, is it better to toss kids into the same detention center as the parents to prevent separation?


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Chippy wrote:
Sarah H Sanders essentially just said that they're separating immigrant families on purpose until "democrats fix immigration laws".

So... they're holding children hostage. In camps.

But sure, Trump isn't a fascist.


Isn't it amazing how, while they hold both Houses of Congress and the Presidency, they can still say it's all the Democrat's fault and their idiotic followers believe them?


This is his frequent deceitful tactic. Democrats gave us the "law" that separates families, "13 Angry Democrats" in charge of the "Russian witch hunt", Obama wiretaps Trump Tower, "millions of illegal voters" in California, "Mexican judge who hates me"... If you repeat the lies enough of times, they will become the "truth" to many unsuspecting ears.

The media treat these false claims as if they have some merits, repeating them in the headlines but not stating the facts first while doing it. They seldom call out these lies in his face. Days of politics are wasted circling around and emboldening false claims.


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Isn't it funny when the Diety had a filibuster proof Senate the radicals didn't just amnesty whomever they wanted at that time? Maybe it was because even they couldn't get all their members to agree to pass it and just because the fake republicans hold 1 vote majority in the Senate that doesn't mean they actually control the Senate. They don't. We all know it.

As far as these children...don't want them separated then don't cross the border illegally while dragging your kids with you. Illegal is illegal is illegal. For some reason radicals ignore that concept when it comes to folks crossing the southern border illegally. It baffles me.

And no Trump is not a fascist. #calmdown


It's funny that you think they're separating children from illegal border crossers.

Also, border crossing is a misdemeanor.

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Doesn't sound like a misdemeanor to me: http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us- ... gally.html Says fine and/or prison time. :smoke:


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http://www.politifact.com/florida/state ... lly-crime/

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In that link it says it's a civil violation. That sounds about right. Again though, not a misdemeanor.


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A civil violation isn't a crime. If you read further, the act of being in the country "illegally" is not illegal. The act of crossing the border "illegally" is a misdemeanor.

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Why can they get up to 6 months prison time then?


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I mean, the page you provided says on it 3 misdemeanors could get you 10 years in prison... so...

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It also says first offence can be 6 months in prison. Second offence can be more. Both can also just be fines. I don't really get it. Just doesn't sound like illegally crossing the border is a misdemeanor if it's possible you can get prison time for it.


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idk! better question for groucho, I'd think.

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I think, as with many things, a lot depends on circumstances and interpretation. Different judges/lawyers will see it differently. Those "law experts" in the links are just teachers so I guess their opinion is just that.


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Don't think Groucho specialises in this area so I'd put his opinion even lower than that of the links.


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I meant more... he could probably tell you if a misdemeanor can lead to prison/jail time.

I think it's insane how many people, and how much, people freak out over people wanting to come to this country to work and pay taxes. Isn't that what they always scream about? I guess they only want white people to work and pay taxes.

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Surely if they come illegally, they're not in the system and therefore many of them don't actually pay taxes. I have no US-specific knowledge of this, but that seems to make sense.


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That would imply they all have "under the table" jobs. I'd say the majority have official jobs, and most of those jobs will take taxes out of paychecks. They could choose to be tax exempt, but then run the risk of tax fraud, and being deported. They're working harder to stay here than anyone else.

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How can you get an official job without the correct working visa? For employers to pay taxes on your behalf you have to be in the system as eligible to work in the United States, no? And if they have working visas or green cards, there's no reason to cross illegally. Something's a miss here.


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https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-d ... explainer/

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It's a crime because we say it is. There's nothing morally wrong about it. My grandparents came over here a hundred years or so ago from Italy when the only requirement was "be sure to register when you get here."

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Looks like Trump has found something to learn from a "strong" dictator. And he wants Americans to respond to him the same way as North Koreans do to Kim.


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Suspension of joint military exercises in South Korea seems to be the first concrete thing coming from the US-NK deal:

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REPORTER: “Why did you offer to halt the military exercises with South Korea?”

TRUMP: “That was my offer. Just so you understand — do you want to hear it? O.K. I call them war games. I hated them from the day I came in. I said, why aren’t we being reimbursed?”

REPORTER: “That’s North Korea’s term, war games.”

TRUMP: “That’s my term.”

REPORTER: “They use it too.”

TRUMP: “They might use it. We pay for it. We pay millions and millions of dollars for planes and all of this. It’s my term. I said I’d like to halt it because it’s bad to be negotiating and doing it. It costs us a lot of money.”

Fact Check: This requires context. It is unclear how much the joint military exercises with South Korea cost, but Seoul does shoulder some of the financial burden of the presence of American troops.

Gen. Vincent K. Brooks, the top American commander in South Korea, told Congress in February that South Korea paid $830 million in support of American troop activities in 2017, and would increase that contribution by 1 percent this year.

The New York Times was also able to find one instance of Mr. Trump using the term “war games” to describe military drills before he met with Mr. Kim on Tuesday. But Mr. Trump has not been consistent in his criticism of the drills. When he visited South Korea in November 2017, he praised naval drills in the Pacific as a showing of “great strength.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/politics/trump-fox-and-friends-interview.html



Trump said a few days ago he wanted to bring the troops home. So eventual pullout of US troops in South Korea (and Japan) seems to be on the table.

China and Russia can't be more happy that they find a friend who thinks like them.


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I don't think China is happy about him at all with the trade war that is starting. I don't see either side backing down. Trump might send our economy into a tailspin and send the world into a recession.


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As long as Trump can blame any negatives on Obama, then he will continue to get support

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