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The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fascism
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Author:  zwackerm [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:42 am ]
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Presidents just shouldn’t say shithole in general even if they’re bad countries to live in.
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:04 pm ]
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But this is no ordinary president
Author:  Corpse [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:17 pm ]
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If anyone wants some laughs during their lunch, check out #ICancelledMyTripToLondon.
Author:  zwackerm [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:55 pm ]
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
But this is no ordinary president

Agreed.

He’s not wrong that those are not nice countries to live in, but that’s just rude.
Author:  Groucho [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:06 pm ]
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I'm shocked that anyone is shocked. The man has used language like this before, he's said racist things before, he's bragged about his sexual assaults, he's called nazis good people -- really, why is this news? It's just more of the same.

Also, just to clarify:

Fox News is trying once again to distract us from what is really being said by arguing that the cursing isn't a big deal. And it isn't. But this isn't about the cursing.

"Shithole country" really means "I don't want black people coming here."

It's like when he talked about grabbing pussies and people said "Oh, you're all upset that he used the word 'pussy.'" NO, the bad word in that sentence is "grab."

Let's not get distracted by the words, and instead look at what the shithead really is saying.
Author:  zwackerm [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:32 pm ]
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How is calling Haiti a shithole country racist? It’s objectively not a nice place to live, nothing necessarily to do with the color of skin.
Author:  Jedi Master Carr [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:33 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:
How is calling Haiti a shithole country racist? It’s objectively not a nice place to live, nothing necessarily to do with the color of skin.



He said Hati and African countries and instead would rather have immigrants from Norway. So he would rather have white people over black/brown people. Like anybody from Norway would want to come here.
Author:  BJ [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:59 pm ]
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Jedi Master Carr wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
How is calling Haiti a shithole country racist? It’s objectively not a nice place to live, nothing necessarily to do with the color of skin.



He said Hati and African countries and instead would rather have immigrants from Norway. So he would rather have white people over black/brown people. Like anybody from Norway would want to come here.

This
Author:  Groucho [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:25 pm ]
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You can't get much whiter than Norway.
Author:  Excel [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:36 pm ]
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At this point, nobody is shocked. This man is already defined. The Dems need a liable centrist and they cake walk no doubt in 2020 if Trump even seeks reelection
Author:  zwackerm [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:42 pm ]
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Hopefully Trump doesn't run because I don't think he can win. Hopefully they run a likable Republican.
Author:  zwackerm [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:43 pm ]
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Jedi Master Carr wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
How is calling Haiti a shithole country racist? It’s objectively not a nice place to live, nothing necessarily to do with the color of skin.



He said Hati and African countries and instead would rather have immigrants from Norway. So he would rather have white people over black/brown people. Like anybody from Norway would want to come here.


Why don't more immigrants go to Norway if it's so much nicer there than in the U.S.?
Author:  Jedi Master Carr [ Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:06 am ]
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zwackerm wrote:
Jedi Master Carr wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
How is calling Haiti a shithole country racist? It’s objectively not a nice place to live, nothing necessarily to do with the color of skin.



He said Hati and African countries and instead would rather have immigrants from Norway. So he would rather have white people over black/brown people. Like anybody from Norway would want to come here.


Why don't more immigrants go to Norway if it's so much nicer there than in the U.S.?



Well two reasons, one they don't have enough land, and the climate isn't for everyone. The reason Norway has so many positive things is because it is a smaller population.
Author:  Shack [ Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:09 pm ]
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Trump is probably more popular than ever in his base. If the Democrats nominate an establishment candidate the Berniebros aren't passionate about, matching the MAGA-ers enthusiasm is still the problem.
Author:  Jmart [ Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:47 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:
Hopefully Trump doesn't run because I don't think he can win. Hopefully they run a likable Republican.


A likable Republican... :-k

Shack wrote:
Trump is probably more popular than ever in his base. If the Democrats nominate an establishment candidate the Berniebros aren't passionate about, matching the MAGA-ers enthusiasm is still the problem.


Yeah, it's going to be interesting. As much as I find Oprah (or at least her persona) to be annoying, she and Bernie are maybe the only two people right now that enough people could get behind to beat Trump and that's very pathetic. That's of course assuming Trump makes it to 2020 and Mueller doesn't catch up with him. If it's Pence then he'll probably be a lame duck (assuming he even wants the job considering the circumstances or if Mueller doesn't catch up to him too).

Going back to zwack's comment, why do I get a feeling Sarah Palin might somehow not be done? If Don-Don and co get ousted, she seems like the perfect MAGA fill-in.
Author:  Jedi Master Carr [ Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:59 pm ]
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Jmart wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Hopefully Trump doesn't run because I don't think he can win. Hopefully they run a likable Republican.


A likable Republican... :-k

Shack wrote:
Trump is probably more popular than ever in his base. If the Democrats nominate an establishment candidate the Berniebros aren't passionate about, matching the MAGA-ers enthusiasm is still the problem.


Yeah, it's going to be interesting. As much as I find Oprah (or at least her persona) to be annoying, she and Bernie are maybe the only two people right now that enough people could get behind to beat Trump and that's very pathetic. That's of course assuming Trump makes it to 2020 and Mueller doesn't catch up with him. If it's Pence then he'll probably be a lame duck (assuming he even wants the job considering the circumstances or if Mueller doesn't catch up to him too).

Going back to zwack's comment, why do I get a feeling Sarah Palin might somehow not be done? If Don-Don and co get ousted, she seems like the perfect MAGA fill-in.


It is hard to say at this moment. I think if they can find a likeable candidate they should win. Hillary wasn't really likeable and neither is Bernie. I don't care for him and I am ademocrat. He looks like an old curmudgeon. I want someone younger at least 50s. I think Gillenbrand or Cory Booker look like strong possibilities.
Author:  zwackerm [ Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:42 pm ]
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Jmart wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Hopefully Trump doesn't run because I don't think he can win. Hopefully they run a likable Republican.


A likable Republican... :-k

Shack wrote:
Trump is probably more popular than ever in his base. If the Democrats nominate an establishment candidate the Berniebros aren't passionate about, matching the MAGA-ers enthusiasm is still the problem.


Yeah, it's going to be interesting. As much as I find Oprah (or at least her persona) to be annoying, she and Bernie are maybe the only two people right now that enough people could get behind to beat Trump and that's very pathetic. That's of course assuming Trump makes it to 2020 and Mueller doesn't catch up with him. If it's Pence then he'll probably be a lame duck (assuming he even wants the job considering the circumstances or if Mueller doesn't catch up to him too).

Going back to zwack's comment, why do I get a feeling Sarah Palin might somehow not be done? If Don-Don and co get ousted, she seems like the perfect MAGA fill-in.


A lot of Republicans were not fond of Trump. But they’d rather a bad Republican than any Democrat take office.

By likable I just mean professional and not as immature acting as Trump. Obviously if you’re on the left you’re going to find it hard to like a Republican however much of a standup guy he may be otherwise.
Author:  Jmart [ Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:00 am ]
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zwackerm wrote:
Jmart wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Hopefully Trump doesn't run because I don't think he can win. Hopefully they run a likable Republican.


A likable Republican... :-k

Shack wrote:
Trump is probably more popular than ever in his base. If the Democrats nominate an establishment candidate the Berniebros aren't passionate about, matching the MAGA-ers enthusiasm is still the problem.


Yeah, it's going to be interesting. As much as I find Oprah (or at least her persona) to be annoying, she and Bernie are maybe the only two people right now that enough people could get behind to beat Trump and that's very pathetic. That's of course assuming Trump makes it to 2020 and Mueller doesn't catch up with him. If it's Pence then he'll probably be a lame duck (assuming he even wants the job considering the circumstances or if Mueller doesn't catch up to him too).

Going back to zwack's comment, why do I get a feeling Sarah Palin might somehow not be done? If Don-Don and co get ousted, she seems like the perfect MAGA fill-in.


A lot of Republicans were not fond of Trump. But they’d rather a bad Republican than any Democrat take office.

By likable I just mean professional and not as immature acting as Trump. Obviously if you’re on the left you’re going to find it hard to like a Republican however much of a standup guy he may be otherwise.


Impeach Trump and stick Pence in there. Pence is a bad Republican and morally despicable, yet he'd still be a step-up from Trump. But then of course they'd alienate their entire fanbase (and that's really what it is at this point) in the short-term by doing that and they'd lose power. And since politics is a game to them about power instead of doing good (unless you're uber rich) the potential stand-up guys have to keep their mouth's shut if they want a job.

I'm sure there are good Republicans out there. They're just being very quiet right now and that's a problem.
Author:  Groucho [ Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:37 am ]
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More people still voted for Democrats over Trump in the last election -- the weirdness of the Electoral College is the only reason Trump is in there.

If we Democrats had a candidate who didn't start off being disliked by 50% of the population we would have won. I don't think it will be that difficult to beat Trump, assuming he's still in office by that time. This is especially true if we can get a candidate that can get Democrats out, enthusiastic, and voting.
Author:  Shack [ Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:06 pm ]
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For me Warren is the answer. She would ignite passion in Berniebros without being quite as old or extreme. Is a woman who would call out Trump and is a recognized name. After Bernie loses he can support her or just do it from the start. I know she says she doesn't want it but something tells me 70% of why her and Biden didn't run in 2016 is the Democrats put their hand on their shoulder and said it's Hillary's time. They wanted a coronation. The game was rigged from the inside by the toxic Clintons
Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:58 pm ]
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Warren is too old. Oprah is the answer.
Author:  Shack [ Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:32 pm ]
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Flava'd vs The World wrote:
Warren is too old. Oprah is the answer.


Thing is Trump is 3 years older than Warren, so it couldn't really be used against her. You just can't be Sanders or Biden level

Oprah is a good play. Much prefer it to the "Kamala Harris is a corporately connected establishment candidate, but we think you're too stupid to notice and will like her more than Hillary because she's a black woman" strategy
Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:18 pm ]
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Trump doesn’t look old though, it makes a huge difference. Oprah would rally the bases that didn’t show up for Hilary. And the biggest critque of her being a “tv star with no history in politics” obviously wouldn’t hold up anymore. :funny: The Rock would also win but quite frankly it feels like a waste of his talent.

Dems have so far failed to acknowledge that they did anything wrong in the last election though. So a Kamala Harris type is more likely to get inner party support.
Author:  zwackerm [ Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:20 pm ]
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I’d much rather Oprah than Warren.
Author:  Excel [ Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:48 pm ]
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Warren is smart as well as tough but good lord nobody about to listen to her for next 4-8 years. so professorial.

Oprah Biden or Booker would win bigly
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