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I thought zwacks was just calling it Hell cause it's a place where the mayor bans hetero intercourse, that's funny


No it's legit called Hell.


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Yeah, place exists

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Don't know if this is a true story, but it looks like the new Mayor of Hell, Michigan just banned heterosexuals from engaging in heterosexual intercourse


Making a point obviously

What point? All sorts of consensual intercourse are legal everywhere in America.


zwackerm gets triggered by something meant for sarcasm. :roll:


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He paid $100 to be Mayor for a day.

Hell should thank him for the free publicity actually.


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Don't know if this is a true story, but it looks like the new Mayor of Hell, Michigan just banned heterosexuals from engaging in heterosexual intercourse


Making a point obviously

What point? All sorts of consensual intercourse are legal everywhere in America.


The point, my obtuse friend, is that there are people out there (like our Vice President) who hate the Supreme Court decision that said you can't make homosexual actions illegal. They would like nothing better than to outlaw gay sex completely. This Mayor was saying "How would you like it if we did that to you? Doesn't make any sense, does it?"

Sorry the point zoomed over your head.

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zwackerm wrote:
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Don't know if this is a true story, but it looks like the new Mayor of Hell, Michigan just banned heterosexuals from engaging in heterosexual intercourse


Making a point obviously

What point? All sorts of consensual intercourse are legal everywhere in America.


The point, my obtuse friend, is that there are people out there (like our Vice President) who hate the Supreme Court decision that said you can't make homosexual actions illegal. They would like nothing better than to outlaw gay sex completely. This Mayor was saying "How would you like it if we did that to you? Doesn't make any sense, does it?"

Sorry the point zoomed over your head.

Please quote where pence said he thinks gay sex should be illegal.


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He didn't


Groucho is also conflating Lawrence v. Texas (gay sex) and Obergefell v. Hodges (gay marriage). They stand for two different propositions, although the same benighted Justice wrote both.


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There is an ever shrinking movement to ban gay marriage, but banning any type of sex would obviously be an invasion of privacy.


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Pence has done the following:

    Passed laws for "conversion therapy"
    Fought for a law to jail anyone who performed a gay marriage
    Fought for a law to jail anyone who applied for a marriage license to someone of the same sex
    Said gays were causing the downfall of society
    Said that sex outside of marriage should be illegal
    Opposed laws that would make it illegal to discriminate against LGBT
    Fought for abstinence programs
    Fought Obama's federal rules about discrimination
    Fought against funding for AIDS
    Tried to get Trump to issue an executive order declaring premarital sex illegal

He wants sex outside of marriage to be illegal; he doesn't believe gays should get married; therefore he believes gay sex should be illegal.

He is an evil man.

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Yeah, you don't have to come out and say the words "I DON'T WANT GAY SEX TO BE A THING!" in order for people to know what you believe.

Although there's always a chance it's an American Beauty situation for Pence.

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Yeah, you don't have to come out and say the words "I DON'T WANT GAY SEX TO BE A THING!" in order for people to know what you believe.

Although there's always a chance it's an American Beauty situation for Pence.

I've never understood the "closeted psychopath gay character" that people praise. Like all gay men are either flamboyant or psychotic. Seems homophobic.


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Kim is playing with H-Bombs.

We are all going to die cause of a narcissist and an asian kid that did eat his own father.

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Yeah, you don't have to come out and say the words "I DON'T WANT GAY SEX TO BE A THING!" in order for people to know what you believe.

Although there's always a chance it's an American Beauty situation for Pence.

There's a difference between disapproving of gay sex personally and wanting it to be illegal. I don't personally like the idea but I know it's not my business. I'm sure Pence disapproves of gay sex but he's shown no signs of wanting to outlaw it.


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Yeah, you don't have to come out and say the words "I DON'T WANT GAY SEX TO BE A THING!" in order for people to know what you believe.

Although there's always a chance it's an American Beauty situation for Pence.

There's a difference between disapproving of gay sex personally and wanting it to be illegal. I don't personally like the idea but I know it's not my business. I'm sure Pence disapproves of gay sex but he's shown no signs of wanting to outlaw it.


Except, of course, all the examples I already gave that you are ignoring.

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zwackerm wrote:
Mister Ecks wrote:
Yeah, you don't have to come out and say the words "I DON'T WANT GAY SEX TO BE A THING!" in order for people to know what you believe.

Although there's always a chance it's an American Beauty situation for Pence.

There's a difference between disapproving of gay sex personally and wanting it to be illegal. I don't personally like the idea but I know it's not my business. I'm sure Pence disapproves of gay sex but he's shown no signs of wanting to outlaw it.


Except, of course, all the examples I already gave that you are ignoring.

Actually I do not think you named any.

In 2000, he did say he supported taxpayer funds for sexual orientation changing, but that's not the same as outlawing gay sex. Was he supposed to force everyone to get conversion therapy?


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I could just imagine zwackerm picking apart every detail of Austin Powers.


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zwackerm wrote:
Groucho wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Mister Ecks wrote:
Yeah, you don't have to come out and say the words "I DON'T WANT GAY SEX TO BE A THING!" in order for people to know what you believe.

Although there's always a chance it's an American Beauty situation for Pence.

There's a difference between disapproving of gay sex personally and wanting it to be illegal. I don't personally like the idea but I know it's not my business. I'm sure Pence disapproves of gay sex but he's shown no signs of wanting to outlaw it.


Except, of course, all the examples I already gave that you are ignoring.

Actually I do not think you named any.

In 2000, he did say he supported taxpayer funds for sexual orientation changing, but that's not the same as outlawing gay sex. Was he supposed to force everyone to get conversion therapy?


Here, I'll say the exact same thing. Read it slowly if you need to.

He wants to make sex outside of marriage illegal.
He doesn't want gays to get married.

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Groucho wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Mister Ecks wrote:
Yeah, you don't have to come out and say the words "I DON'T WANT GAY SEX TO BE A THING!" in order for people to know what you believe.

Although there's always a chance it's an American Beauty situation for Pence.

There's a difference between disapproving of gay sex personally and wanting it to be illegal. I don't personally like the idea but I know it's not my business. I'm sure Pence disapproves of gay sex but he's shown no signs of wanting to outlaw it.


Except, of course, all the examples I already gave that you are ignoring.


I don't believe any of your examples. Citation to legitimate news source saying Mile Pence wants to throw gay people in jail for wanting to be married. Pics or I didn't happen.


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I could just imagine zwackerm picking apart every detail of Austin Powers.

And I could see you making some abstruse point over the course of six paragraphs that leaves people on all sides confused about the thrust of your original argument.


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Pence has done the following:

    Passed laws for "conversion therapy"

He is an evil man.

Are you for minors being able to surgically and hormonally change their gender?


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Pence has done the following:

    Passed laws for "conversion therapy"
    Fought for a law to jail anyone who performed a gay marriage
    Fought for a law to jail anyone who applied for a marriage license to someone of the same sex
    Said gays were causing the downfall of society
    Said that sex outside of marriage should be illegal
    Opposed laws that would make it illegal to discriminate against LGBT
    Fought for abstinence programs
    Fought Obama's federal rules about discrimination
    Fought against funding for AIDS
    Tried to get Trump to issue an executive order declaring premarital sex illegal

He wants sex outside of marriage to be illegal; he doesn't believe gays should get married; therefore he believes gay sex should be illegal.

He is an evil man.


I actually didn't read this post whoops.

I Knew about the AIDS thing. What are the dates on all of these things? Are they since Trumps run? A lot of Christians are fine with homosexuality nowadays as long as they don't have to participate.


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I could just imagine zwackerm picking apart every detail of Austin Powers.

And I could see you making some abstruse point over the course of six paragraphs that leaves people on all sides confused about the thrust of your original argument.


Only if they ask for it and it's necessary for an adequate reply.

Thanks for telling we what I know, that politics is generally lazy.

I had a rude reply, but I'll just say your attack here is worthless and meaningless to me. I care little if I convince you of anything (which would be a pretty pointless effort anyway).


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DP07 wrote:
I could just imagine zwackerm picking apart every detail of Austin Powers.

And I could see you making some abstruse point over the course of six paragraphs that leaves people on all sides confused about the thrust of your original argument.


Only if they ask for it and it's necessary for an adequate reply.

Thanks for telling we what I know, that politics is generally lazy.

I had a rude reply, but I'll just say your attack here is worthless and meaningless to me. I care little if I convince you of anything (which would be a pretty pointless effort anyway).


Politics is generally lazy, similar to your initial attacking post.


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Caius wrote:
Groucho wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Mister Ecks wrote:
Yeah, you don't have to come out and say the words "I DON'T WANT GAY SEX TO BE A THING!" in order for people to know what you believe.

Although there's always a chance it's an American Beauty situation for Pence.

There's a difference between disapproving of gay sex personally and wanting it to be illegal. I don't personally like the idea but I know it's not my business. I'm sure Pence disapproves of gay sex but he's shown no signs of wanting to outlaw it.


Except, of course, all the examples I already gave that you are ignoring.


I don't believe any of your examples. Citation to legitimate news source saying Mile Pence wants to throw gay people in jail for wanting to be married. Pics or I didn't happen.


NY Times reliable enough for you?

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt ... 1afaa.html

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zwackerm wrote:
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Pence has done the following:

    Passed laws for "conversion therapy"
    Fought for a law to jail anyone who performed a gay marriage
    Fought for a law to jail anyone who applied for a marriage license to someone of the same sex
    Said gays were causing the downfall of society
    Said that sex outside of marriage should be illegal
    Opposed laws that would make it illegal to discriminate against LGBT
    Fought for abstinence programs
    Fought Obama's federal rules about discrimination
    Fought against funding for AIDS
    Tried to get Trump to issue an executive order declaring premarital sex illegal

He wants sex outside of marriage to be illegal; he doesn't believe gays should get married; therefore he believes gay sex should be illegal.

He is an evil man.


I actually didn't read this post whoops.

I Knew about the AIDS thing. What are the dates on all of these things? Are they since Trumps run? A lot of Christians are fine with homosexuality nowadays as long as they don't have to participate.


Most of these are when he was governor of Indiana, admittedly. No reason to assume his position has changed.

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