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That's flawed logic. You would need to require that every teacher/admin has access to the gun, and would require training for them all. At thousands of schools across the country.

Also, PLENTY of the children who have killed siblings or themselves in their homes have gained access to a gun that was "in a safe".

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The kids who are shooters will shoot. The others won't.


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The kids who are shooters will shoot. The others won't.


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The kids who are shooters will shoot. The others won't.


?!?!

The presence of guns in a place won't cause shootings that wouldn't have already happened. To a shooter, a room full of unarmed citizens is a practice range. There needs to be some way to defend against attack.


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Having a gun would 100% accelerate the violence.

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Having a gun would 100% accelerate the violence.

You can't possibly know that because guns for defense in schools has never been tried. It's possible, but the current approach of defenseless schools hasn't stopped shooters from shooting up schools.


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Having a gun would 100% accelerate the violence.

You can't possibly know that because guns for defense in schools has never been tried. It's possible, but the current approach of defenseless schools hasn't stopped shooters from shooting up schools.


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And again, you can't just put a gun in a school in a safe. There is no way any parent would agree to that unless every person on staff with access to the gun has been trained and licensed. AND I would want them to go through crisis training, so I know they wouldn't miss under pressure.

It's not a feasible option. Getting rid of guns, period, would be far easier.

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And again, you can't just put a gun in a school in a safe. There is no way any parent would agree to that unless every person on staff with access to the gun has been trained and licensed. AND I would want them to go through crisis training, so I know they wouldn't miss under pressure.

It's not a feasible option. Getting rid of guns, period, would be far easier.

How do you propose to do that?

What about hunting for food/ecosystem control? I agree hunting for sport is wrong, but guns are quite necessary in these cases.


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I am open to HUNTING RIFLES, that are licensed and trained on, to be available. But you would also need to register it.

Handguns should be outlawed, period. Semi-automatic/Automatic rifles should be outlawed. Weapons that are made for the killing of people should not be owned.

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I am open to HUNTING RIFLES, that are licensed and trained on, to be available. But you would also need to register it.

Handguns should be outlawed, period. Semi-automatic/Automatic rifles should be outlawed. Weapons that are made for the killing of people should not be owned.

Agreed on all of that.


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I am open to HUNTING RIFLES, that are licensed and trained on, to be available. But you would also need to register it.

Handguns should be outlawed, period. Semi-automatic/Automatic rifles should be outlawed. Weapons that are made for the killing of people should not be owned.

Automatic weapons have been illegal since like 1932.


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I am open to HUNTING RIFLES, that are licensed and trained on, to be available. But you would also need to register it.

Handguns should be outlawed, period. Semi-automatic/Automatic rifles should be outlawed. Weapons that are made for the killing of people should not be owned.

Automatic weapons have been illegal since like 1932.


Thank you for agreeing, then.

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Having a gun would 100% accelerate the violence.

You can't possibly know that because guns for defense in schools has never been tried. It's possible, but the current approach of defenseless schools hasn't stopped shooters from shooting up schools.


Every single place that has enacted gun control laws has seen a HUGE drop in gun violence. Every single place that has lessened its gun control laws has seen a HUGE rise in gun violence.

Oh, right! Sorry! Forgive me, I'm using facts to support my point of view and I forgot that you don't care for facts -- they get in the way of your already-held beliefs.

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So, Sally Yates, the acting Attorney General, has told the Justice Department to NOT defend Trump's refugee order in court. Let's see if Trump fires her, quite likely I'd say, but then they wouldn't have a Senate confirmed lawyer, which is required by law like Yates, to sign these orders either.

This is quite embarrassing for the Trump Administration; a total lack of vetting and preparation.

The Senate Democrats really need to use this to their advantage and block the nomination of Jeff Sessions this week now. They only need two or three Republicans, and some have come out against these orders, on their side.

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Having a gun would 100% accelerate the violence.

You can't possibly know that because guns for defense in schools has never been tried. It's possible, but the current approach of defenseless schools hasn't stopped shooters from shooting up schools.


Every single place that has enacted gun control laws has seen a HUGE drop in gun violence. Every single place that has lessened its gun control laws has seen a HUGE rise in gun violence.

Oh, right! Sorry! Forgive me, I'm using facts to support my point of view and I forgot that you don't care for facts -- they get in the way of your already-held beliefs.

Lol, I just live in a place where there are already a lot of gun laws.


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I am not opposed to gun ownership and to try and wish it away is just not going to happen in our lifetime. But regulatolions should increase. They need to be treated like Groucho said, as like driving a car, which is also dangerous.

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Ah, the gun debate comes around again. Yawn

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I am not opposed to gun ownership and to try and wish it away is just not going to happen in our lifetime. But regulatolions should increase. They need to be treated like Groucho said, as like driving a car, which is also dangerous.

I agree with this.

Groucho I'm sorry for assuming my state laws were national laws. My idea was based on the fact that you can only restrict guns so much, and if violence still happens, there must be another way.


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Trump and his band of cronies are so appalling that it's actually making liberal Democrats I know want to buy guns and protect themselves from whatever insanity could be coming. Was this the NRA's grand plan all along or something? :funny:


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Trump and his band of cronies are so appalling that it's actually making liberal Democrats I know want to buy guns and protect themselves from whatever insanity could be coming. Was this the NRA's grand plan all along or something? :funny:


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Liberals with guns...

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So is it true that the seven countries banned from entry were first labeled by the Obama administration as dangerous? I watched a video that claimed this but couldn't tell if it was fake news.

And the refugee thing is not nearly as outrageous as the country ban. Barring them for 120 days and then allowing more refugees in per year than Bush may be an inconvenience, but they will be let in in120 days.


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Chippy wrote:
Having a gun would 100% accelerate the violence.

You can't possibly know that because guns for defense in schools has never been tried. It's possible, but the current approach of defenseless schools hasn't stopped shooters from shooting up schools.


Every single place that has enacted gun control laws has seen a HUGE drop in gun violence. Every single place that has lessened its gun control laws has seen a HUGE rise in gun violence.

Oh, right! Sorry! Forgive me, I'm using facts to support my point of view and I forgot that you don't care for facts -- they get in the way of your already-held beliefs.


Pretty sure in Syria that it is not legal for ISIS to have automatic weapons. Same with Yemen. And Iraq. Those laws should end the civil wars there.

Oh, right! Sorry! Forgive me, I'm using facts to support my point of view and I forgot that you don't care for facts -- they get in the way of your already-held beliefs.


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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
I am not opposed to gun ownership and to try and wish it away is just not going to happen in our lifetime. But regulatolions should increase. They need to be treated like Groucho said, as like driving a car, which is also dangerous.

I agree with this.

Groucho I'm sorry for assuming my state laws were national laws. My idea was based on the fact that you can only restrict guns so much, and if violence still happens, there must be another way.


You'll never stop it completely, any more than laws about cars have stopped people from driving unregistered and uninsured cars or driving drunk. Laws about murder haven't stopped murder and laws against rape haven't stopped rape.

But they've reduced them. That's what laws do. They WORK.

The argument from gun nuts that criminals will still have guns is true. Of COURSE they will. But let's make it as hard as possible for them to get them, shall we? Because it WORKS.

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