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 Guns. 

The right to bear arms--including assault rifles and handguns--for personal protection.
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Looks like whites are almost as likely to kill whites as blacks are to kill blacks according to the FBI. Whites are more likely to kill blacks than blacks are to kill whites, though.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... r_2013.xls

Huh? No. Blacks are also many times more likely to be murdered than whites.


I agree with what you said, but that wasn't my point.

We've kind of veered off the original point, which was that the problem was black on black crime. My point was not that it doesn't exist, but that it's not "black on black" that is the issue inasmuch as it's "blacks are more likely to be the victim." Whites mostly shoot whites, blacks mostly shoot blacks, but that's because that's who we deal with and usually you're shot by someone you know and not by a stranger.

So saying "Look at those black people shooting each other" doesn't really address the issue.

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Looks like whites are almost as likely to kill whites as blacks are to kill blacks according to the FBI. Whites are more likely to kill blacks than blacks are to kill whites, though.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... r_2013.xls


That's because there are way more white people than black people. Compared to their population numbers, that FBI link supports that black crime is far higher


No, my point was that white people were likely to kill white people with a similar percentage as black people were likely to kill black people.

Obviously, there is more crime committed by whites because there are more white people. But to say that the problem with guns is a "black on black" issue isn't supported by statistics when "white on white" is about the same.


Ok first, I'm not sure where you got "Whites are more likely to kill blacks than blacks are to kill whites" in your original post. In the FBI link there are 409 whites killed by blacks and 189 blacks killed by whites.

Secondly, even after counting 83% of whites killed by whites and 90% of blacks killed by blacks as close enough (which is debatable, 7% is meaningful), I don't see how it really matters that white people kill in their race when they do it... Black on black crime is a bigger problem vs their population because blacks killing anybody period, is a bigger problem.

Say there's around 235 million white people and 41 million African Americans.

235 million white people, 2,509 white on white killings = 1 out of 89,278
41 million black people, 2,245 black on black killings = 1 out of 17,371

So there's more black on black killings for their population than white on white, easily

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Plus 64% of "gun related deaths" are suicide. Those would happen without guns anyway.


Would they?

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They're a criminal, if they're breaking the law by doing whatever criminal act they are, are they going to care about breaking the law by owning a gun?


"Criminals will still have guns."

By golly, you're right! Criminals will still break the laws no matter what!

Guess we should just get rid of all laws, then, since criminals will still break them, right?

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NOBODY IS SAYING "STOP". Banning abortions WOULD reduce abortions. But those that had them would be unsafe and extremely dangerous. Something that can be helped by giving access to reduced medical care and education regarding sex and pregnancy.

Banning guns would not prevent all gun crime. But it would greatly reduce the amount of gun deaths.

You literally made our argument for us.

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Plus 64% of "gun related deaths" are suicide. Those would happen without guns anyway.


Would they?

It seems likely. Japan has very strict gun laws and a high suicide rate relative to the United States.

Of course, this is difficult to prove since you cannot ethically test the hypothesis. Suicidal person 1 receives a gun and suicidal person 2 receives cyanide is not gonna fly.


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NOBODY IS SAYING "STOP". Banning abortions WOULD reduce abortions. But those that had them would be unsafe and extremely dangerous. Something that can be helped by giving access to reduced medical care and education regarding sex and pregnancy.

Banning guns would not prevent all gun crime. But it would greatly reduce the amount of gun deaths.

You literally made our argument for us.


So are you in favor of banning all abortions so long as the mother's health is not at risk? Think of that as the equivalent of banning handguns and AR-15s plus background checks for all purchases and mandatory firearms safety training.


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No, I'm not. But guns = abortions is a hilarious argument. I'm glad that's a hill you're willing to die on.

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No, I'm not. But guns = abortions is a hilarious argument. I'm glad that's a hill you're willing to die on.

You're right. Guns don't equal abortions. Guns have killed people on their own 0% of the time. Abortions kill 100% of the time.


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LOL

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LOL

Why do you use "LOL" so often? You are an adult.


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Adults don't laugh at idiotic statements?

I mean, I assume you don't laugh because of your sad existence, but man...

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He is an adult but he is incapable of forming coherent arguments so he gives a "LOL" or a smiley in the hope that someone else will support him and do the hard work of thinking how to express an opinion.

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Nah, just laughing at the ridiculous comparison between guns and abortion.

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As you should

Lol is definitely played though. I like that chippy going vintage though (it's the the rick roll kind of response that still fucks with people, it's not back, but it never really left)

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As you should

Lol is definitely played though. I like that chippy going vintage though (it's the the rick roll kind of response that still fucks with people, it's not back, but it never really left)



See Chippy, Thegun is on your side in the application of a well-timed "LOL" so you know you're on solid ground. His comedy chops are known by all and doubted by few.


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I didn't realize laughing was something that was up for discussion. You should start a thread on how libertarians think people shouldn't laugh when they want.

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I didn't realize laughing was something that was up for discussion. You should start a thread on how libertarians think people shouldn't laugh when they want.

More like a thread questioning why people claim to laugh when they do not actually laugh. As in, I doubt you laughed out loud.

Libertarians are not about telling people what to do. That is your philosophy.


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Ahh, must explain all your posts, telling people what to do.

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Ahh, must explain all your posts, telling people what to do.


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