Merciless bullying of 68-year-old bus monitor
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Bradley Witherberry
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nghtvsn wrote: It will take a... belt required to teach the kids... how to treat adults with respect. You can't beat violence.
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| Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:27 am |
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nghtvsn
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: nghtvsn wrote: It will take a... belt required to teach the kids... how to treat adults with respect. You can't beat violence. That's right. You can't be proper punishment. Be it a belt, a paddle or the palm of your hand.
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Bradley Witherberry
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nghtvsn wrote: Bradley Witherberry wrote: nghtvsn wrote: It will take a... belt required to teach the kids... how to treat adults with respect. You can't beat violence. That's right. You can't be proper punishment. Be it a belt, a paddle or the palm of your hand. Same goes for adults - - if your spouse is causing trouble, get out the belt, a paddle, or the palm of your hand. What's good for the gosling is good for the gander.
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| Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:13 am |
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nghtvsn
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What you do in your bedroom is none of my business.
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| Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:27 am |
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Algren
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Not the worst thing I've ever seen. I think it's odd that nobody else stepped in or clipped those little pricks around the earhole.
The saddest thing is how a full grown adult lets stupid bullying get to her. If you eat yourself into a state whereby you can't protect yourself from teens, then you're at fault too.
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| Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:51 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Here's an interesting alternative take on the incident: Quote: The Fourth of July and the Bus Monitor
The confusing thing about that bus monitor story from the U.S. is that it was treated as a case of bullying. Bullying usually means kids assaulting kids, in the schoolyard or cyber-yard. When adults bully kids, as they routinely do, it’s called discipline or education. When adults bully adults, which also happens often — think about political attack ads — it isn’t called bullying. This was a case of kid-on-adult “bullying.” But what it really involved was youth dabbling in ways to undermine adult authority and exploring their right to rebel — necessary, if painful, parts of growing up.
This occurred to me on the fourth of July this week — which marks the moment in 1776 when the U.S. rebelled against its British parent. That didn’t go down smoothly either. Historians say about a third supported the revolution then, a third opposed it, and the rest abstained.
You can see the value of resistance models, in the current U.S. opposition movement, the Tea Party, named after an American revolutionary event. But since you can’t resist all authority everywhere, what you need to figure out is: when, where and how. That requires experience and practice, which kids get, starting around the age of the boys on that bus: 12, when they still aren’t large enough to simply defy adult commands. The process continues through adolescence, causing increasing grief for teachers, parents, etc.
So I’m basically sympathetic to those kids though if I’d been there I’d have done what I could to shut them down. I think you can hear them testing the limits of what they can get away with, verbally moving from “freakin’” to “fucking,” poking the monitor’s hearing aid, endlessly repeating “fat-ass.” It isn’t pretty but humans aren’t, always, and these are 12. It doesn’t mean they’re destined for depravity. As for the monitor, I think she acquits herself decently: sobbing but getting control of it, keeping up a conversation with them and declining to file a report, as if it all qualified as part of a normal process.
I consider it an adult duty to provide a safe, controlled setting in which kids can explore the arts of rebellion. Teachers do that, with the aid of detentions, grades, threats and tantrums. Vice-principals — those embodiments of adult control — are especially useful. Kids never feel a VP is going to cry or collapse, abandoning them to a terrifying situation of total power. If adults fail, it’s not because they’re too permissive or don’t articulate sturdy values; it’s because they dissolve the solid framework which kids need to rebel in, when they’re still too young and shaky to take full responsibility. You can sense a touch of that kid panic in the bus video; the kids are doing their job but she isn’t quite up to hers.
I don’t mean the whole incident is simply a civics lesson in the need for learning to dissent. It’s also a grotty exercise in some of the less appealing behaviour that humans are capable of. But that’s a learning experience too. One of the boys’ dads said he was stunned by the video because it’s not how he raised his kids. I’m sure it isn’t but maybe when he was a kid he got caught up in the same kind of thing.
I know I did. I went to the circus at Maple Leaf Gardens with some pals when I was about 12 and we pitilessly tormented a kid we didn’t know in the row ahead of us, just because we could, as if it was an experiment. What you can eventually learn is that those impulses are inside you, but don’t have to control you. The whole complicated brew was captured in the U.S. film, Rebel Without a Cause, from 1955, when conformity — i.e., submission to the authority of what everyone else is doing — was considered a national scourge.
There was also an unexpected online coda to the incident, in which carloads of money were thrown at the monitor for her misery. It seemed a little bizarre but, compared to the billions in bailouts for miscreant banks simply because they were Too Big To Fail, it probably counts as a model of sage spending.
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David
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Blah blah blah blah.
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| Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:49 pm |
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Barrabás
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"I know I did. I went to the circus at Maple Leaf Gardens with some pals when I was about 12 and we pitilessly tormented a kid we didn’t know in the row ahead of us, just because we could, as if it was an experiment."
I would shoot him in the face.
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| Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:39 pm |
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Mannyisthebest
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That was the most pointless article ever made... Bullying is something that should not be tolerated or be seen as a natural part of life ... 
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| Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:25 am |
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David
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He doesn't account for the psychological impact of he and his friend's cruel taunting on their victim. Not to be a total sap, but his whole, "Come on, man, we were just testing the elasticity of society's constructs" angle doesn't justify the emotional violence inflicted.
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| Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:16 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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There's the way each person thinks the world should work and then there's reality.
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| Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:16 pm |
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David
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Granted. But, to paraphrase Taylor Kitsch, we don't need to swallow everyone else's shit and call it caviar.
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Dr. Lecter
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David wrote: Granted. But, to paraphrase Taylor Kitsch, we don't need to swallow everyone else's shit and call it caviar. Did he say that to the Battleship's audiences? : )
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