Trump isn't homophobic, he's "anyone not like him" phobic.

What? You think gay people who get married have someone write "I Love Cock" in big letters on the cake?

I take it you've never been to a gay marriage? I have, and you know what? Unless you pay attention to the couple, you can't tell the difference.

The problem is that bigoted bakers are refusing to make the exact same cake for a gay couple that they'd make for a straight couple.

A baker can always refuse to have a message on a cake they disagree with. That is different. But if a baker made a cake for a bachlorette party that had "I Love Cock" in big letters and then refused to make one for a gay party, then you'd have the same problem.

Ok that I agree with.

This is somewhat off-topic from your current chat with zackerman, but I wanted to react to this.

I'm extremely disappointed and sad about this election. Still, it behooves us to try and understand the "Trump voter." Especially the ones that made a difference. Don't be distracted by the noise.

There is a contingent of the country that is racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc. There always has been. Trump's bullying, fascist, racist tactics appeal to (a chunk of) the traditional, rural Republican base. They'll eat it up when he complains about the mainstream media because the thought of a liberal doing anything makes their blood boil. They're newly vocal because Trump is so vocal, Trump was more exciting than "establishment" candidates, and they've finally learned their way around the Web.

But the "vote shifters" in MI, WI, OH, NC, PA, FL... the ones that made the difference... we can't call them all selfish, racist, or homophobic. These states were Obama states in '08 and '12... some by as much as +15%. I think many of the shifters were deeply troubled about their vote (that's why they weren't at inauguration). For whatever reason, "change" mattered more than "decency." We need to understand what their concerns are so we know how to communicate to them and convert them back. Is it economics and trade? Is it a sentiment that they've been "left out"? Is it Obamacare? Or, are they actually frustrated with Obama's social and civil liberty advancements? (It's probably not this).

We should call-out blatant Trump lies, Republican obstructionism, and actions or views that are incompatible with our values. We need to be serious watchdogs. But, we also need to embrace (and not alienate) the swing voters.

Eh, I honestly don't think he is homophobic or any of that. But he is narcissistic and extremely insecure and not only can he not handle criticism, but he cannot handle when others don't worship the ground he walks on.

Not on the cake, but usually as a tattoo on the lower back.

Republicans aren't Obama fans, but they are much more opposed to Hillary Clinton, who many view as the devil incarnate.

You're right about that -- we can't lump them all into a group, but it's still true that these white men (mostly) who voted for Trump, mostly because they wanted a change, still felt that "change" was more important than electing a guy supported by bigots and racists.

I mentioned your point in the article I wrote after the election called "The Top Ten Reasons Hillary Lost". Be sure to check out the header entitled "The Hubris of the Elite."

https://ventrellaquest.com/2016/11/10/t ... lary-lost/

I suppose you would know!

Well, I cannot speak for the entire gay community, but the guy I was ramming on the weekend had it.

White People* voted for Trump. Don't take away the blame for white women in their role. Every other demo went heavily to Clinton. But white men/women both went to Trump.

This! Thread can be closed!

So does that mean he is homophobic since he is not gay or does that mean he is not homophobic since he is, well, not homophobic?

No it means "As long nobody is threatening my business or family or my image I dont give a shit....and I dont give a shit what happens to this people". The problem is as a President he has now to give a shit from time to time. Can he do that?

OMG THE CAPITOL AND SOME OTHER BUILDINGS IN WASHINGTON ARE MADE OF CLAN MEMBERS!

Please don't forget about The Netherlands Trump.

It means he is homophobic, but he's not ONLY homophobic. He irrationally hates anyone that's not like him.

Trump is going to cheat on Melania with Paul Ryan according to SNL.

.... so this wall is actually happening? God what a fucking waste of time and money. That makes me so angry.

The wall will keep Mexicans in the USA .. slightly. Keep them earning money. Not useless.

Most illegal immigrants come by plane, but you know? Whatever. Let's build a wall because that took me ten seconds to think up and Americans who supported Trump like those knee jerk reaction line of thinking.

Trump just wants to be able to say...

I wish there was at least one other Brit on this board.

I'm surprised there's only one of you, we've got at least a couple of Germans around here and those tend to be a lot more rare to come across on the internet.