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Author:  Mister Ecks [ Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:11 pm ]
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There is no better evidence that Vince McMahon should not be running WWE any more than having Brock Lesnar vs. Roman Reigns for the Universal Championship. And he can get away with it because what difference does it make that people boo a match or walk out or just ignore it? The people buy their tickets, they pay for the WWE Network subscription, they buy the merchandise. It doesn't matter at all.

But at the end of the day, a multi-million dollar company is investing in something that failed two times previously for a third time, without any effort to change anything. That is insanity. There is zero precedent for WWE pushing someone so hard with absolutely no intention to change anything about what is clearly broken in Roman Reigns. He isn't working. He never will work this way. Give him a heel turn and let the fans cheer him then. They act as though that's a bad thing. Half the heels in the company get pops. It takes incredible skill for a legit heel to get legit heel heat. And saying the lines are blurred and he's an in-betweener is bullshit. He is pushed as a babyface.

I stuck it out for all those years John Cena kept his babyface run, despite heavy booing from fans. John Cena never got the reactions consistently that Roman Reigns gets. Oh he was booed and booed often, but not to this degree. It's embarrassing. But no one in power cares.

Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:22 pm ]
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RIP to Grandmaster Sexay. Only 46. :(

Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:27 am ]
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R-Truth: I wanna challenge for the US title at Summerslam
Shinsuke: And how are you going to do that?
R-Truth: Same way as everyone else, I’m gonna pin Carmella

:funny: :funny: :funny:

I love Smackdown.

Author:  Corpse [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:48 am ]
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Smackdown has been a good show since Mania. Raw on the other hand... Hopefully Brock loses the Universal Title (I know, seems 100% certain, but you never know...) at SummerSlam so the top talent can have something worth fighting over.

Author:  Corpse [ Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:44 pm ]
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Damn... Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart passed away. He was only 63.

Author:  stuffp [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:23 am ]
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So, SummerSlam thoughts?

Author:  Corpse [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:34 pm ]
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It had its ups and down, and some of the ending decisions (two DQs, really?) were bad, but it was solid I thought.

Rollins/Ziggler was great.

Months of solid build-up for the Strowman/Owens match and it ends in a 5-minute squash. Sure, it was an indicator that Strowman would "cash-in" on Lesnar/Reigns at the end of the night, but what a disappointing payoff.

Bludgeons/New Day was surprisingly good, but the match ending in a DQ was stupid.

Becky/Charlotte/Carmella was solid, and Carmella in particular gave one of her best in-ring performances to date. Charlotte winning, again, got the appropriate "groan" response, and Becky turning heel was great. The audience will be cheering for the heel in their upcoming feud, though, so maybe Charlotte should have turned heel? Either way, nice way for this one to end.

Cool to see Demon King Balor make an appearance, finally, but perhaps it should have waited until he was booked properly in the IC or Universal picture? Hopefully it's the end of his feud with Corbin.

Styles/Joe was very good, and even though the DQ ending was annoying since the match was on track to be one of the best in WWE this year, the way it was done was excellent and continues to build-up their feud. Styles, as great as he is, has had disappointing feuds since coming to WWE (first Owens, then Nakamura), so hopefully this one with Joe is the one.

Miz/Daniel was good, even if their long-fated match was a little forced. I'm still a believer of the rumors that Daniel is on his way out, so the "cheap" finish was fine and not too surprising.

Nakamura/Hardy was average. Crazy spot by Hardy.

I think it would have been better to wait a bit longer to make Rousey the Raw Women's Champion, and I honestly didn't care for her squashing Bliss. They could have had Fox and Mickie jump Rousey before the match or something to make her appear weaker in the match. I like Rousey, though, but again, it might be too early for fans to completely accept her as a champion.

Strowman coming out before the Lesnar/Reigns match began gave the match it's much needed excitement. And I want to say I'm glad Reigns is finally Universal Champ, but I want to wait until Raw tonight to see how they handle it before feeling total relief. Lesnar is reportedly booked for tonight's episode, so...

Author:  Corpse [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:39 pm ]
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Oh, and Takeover Brooklyn 4 was aces. Ciampa/Gargano is probably the best feud in all of WWE this decade.

Author:  Shack [ Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:14 pm ]
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Embarrassing that the women's gauntlet match on Raw before MITB was given a whole 15 minutes. I couldn't believe it when I saw how much time was left in my player.

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:26 pm ]
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I love when something happens that is beyond WWE's creative output. The evolution and major crowd reactions for Becky Lynch are a clear reminder that sometimes, against all of WWE's best efforts, the crowd knows better than WWE creative. It sucks because I think a heel Becky Lynch is infinitely more interesting than a face Becky Lynch, but she doesn't have to change who she is now to flip back to a face.

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:13 pm ]
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I also love the culture of the average wrestling fan. Renee Young's promotion to the RAW commentary team was met with some pretty ugly comments on wrestling sites. Is she perfect? Not at all, but look at who has been there in the last few years: Michael Cole, Byron Saxton, Booker T, Jonathan Coachman. These guys are average at best and cringeworthy at their worst. I welcome a new voice, a fresh perspective, and someone that will hopefully come into her own with time. One must always remember the shit storm the announcers listen to during the broadcast in their ears.

Author:  Corpse [ Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:47 pm ]
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Well... solid Hell in a Cell PPV, but that was easily one of the worst endings ever. You don't end a Hell in a Cell match in a no contest, and just when we thought Brock Lesnar was gone, he returns... Ugh.

Author:  Shack [ Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:13 am ]
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I honestly think the main reason Reigns didn't win the title at Wrestlemania or Greatest Royal Rumble was because Vince wanted to erase that CM Punk record while he had the chance. I remember when Nikki Bella was champion for 300 days most likely by design to spite AJ Lee

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:10 pm ]
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Except that any wrestling fan with a brain and even a short memory would know that Lesnar barely defended the title, barely wrestled the matches he did wrestle and didn't hold the actual WWE championship for over 500 days. That run will always have a ton of asterisks next to it.

Now if AJ Styles breaks Punk's record, that will be deserving, despite never giving the man a main-event match on a PPV. Hmm, who else held the title for that long while rarely defending it in main events on PPV?

Hell in a Cell started off with a terrific match by Jeff and Orton. That was instant classic. Lots of rumors of Jeff retiring after that but I doubt it. Maybe keep him off TV for a while and bring him back later on.

The main event ending was terrible. Way to end Hell in a Cell with an actual Hell in a Cell match and give it a normal ol' RAW ending. Please don't tell me Brock is staying with WWE because I can't tolerate that unless it's in a non-championship fashion.

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:16 pm ]
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It's amazing that Brock had one of the best and probably the last truly great WWE returns in 2012, and now, six and a half years later, every WWE viewer wishes he would leave. He's been booked the exact same for that whole time. He enjoyed a few career reprisals thanks to "Suplex City", ending the streak (still one of the most ill-advised decisions ever), and the odd good match (thanks to his opponents), but it's time for WWE to not bend over backwards for him.

Author:  Corpse [ Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:32 pm ]
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I am beyond over Brock Lesnar; he's just a total bore.

I really, really hope Vince didn't offer him some absurd amount of money to stick around for awhile longer to help boost their struggling ticket sales...

I'm going to assume he'll be in an upcoming triple threat with Roman and Braun at Super-Show Down (or whatever) or Survivor Series since he has a rematch for the title. And please, please let that be the end of him in WWE for a long time. And if they decide to put the title back on him... I honestly might take a break from WWE for awhile, because there's been no payoff for any of the younger talent for two, three+ years now. New Japan and ROH have been excellent, and I'll happily give them my full attention.

Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:26 pm ]
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I liked the Brock return. 1) His new beard is awesome and 2)It’s so rare to see something unexpected in a Roman Reigns match.

His recent title run was awful and resulted in nothing but 16 wasted months on Raw. That I will agree with. He showed up for the AJ Styles match but hasn’t cared since.

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:14 am ]
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The return was fun for sure and unexpected. But then to have the match not have an actual finish was awful.

Corpse, I stopped watching for a few months after Mania mostly, but picked up again after Summerslam. If he wins the title back, I'll be back to ignoring WWE. If he can't do this full time, I can't invest full time in WWE.

Author:  Corpse [ Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:53 pm ]
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Some negative thoughts on the WWE product this past year, especially post-Mania:

>The Bellas should remain out of the ring, or at least only make an appearance at the Women's Evolution PPV and the Super-Show Down. I understand that they're "big names", but must they really squash the Riot Squad each week before squashing them again at the PPV?

>The Women's Evolution PPV seems to have been given up on being a success by WWE, or so it appears. I don't even know what day it's on, just that it's in October. I haven't seen them advertise it, beyond it simply being mentioned, in weeks. Ticket sales were reportedly low.

>Brock Lesnar needs to disappear for several years. It's insane that Braun, Balor, Rollins, Ambrose, haven't held the Universal title either at all or in years. This includes Samoa Joe, too, since he was on RAW.

>Daniel Bryan's return has been terrible. I'm sure there's an agreed upon reason between him and Vince on not putting him back in the main event picture, or so I assume given how he's been booked, but he's lost all of his feuds so far, I think, and has lost a vast majority of the time. He's 0-2 against The Miz, and he hasn't even had one notable good match since coming back.

>All the special Network events (Greatest Royale Rumble, Super Show-Down, Crown Jewel...) are annoying keep the focus off of any one event/PPV. But they reportedly make more money than even Mania, so I'm sure they're here to stay now...

>The NXT call-ups in the past year have all been booked incredibly poorly. It almost seems to be on purpose. Asuka, in particular, has dropped down the roster at an insane rate since Mania. Ember Moon has done absolutely nothing; Booby Roode has fallen below the mid-card; The Revival always get buried before that final push; AOP is DOA; Sanity are jobbers now; Andrade is doing alright on Smackdown, but he keeps losing, so...? Good God.

Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:37 pm ]
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Iiconics get like 5 minutes of microphone time each week. I’d say that’s the biggest NXT success this year.

Author:  Corpse [ Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:43 pm ]
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Besides Asuka winning the Rumble back in January... You're probably right! The Iconics seem to just be there to make everyone else look good, but at least they do get time on the mic...

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:57 am ]
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WWE can't carry anyone over from NXT. Is anyone from the last few years a success story in WWE? I don't watch NXT (one of my greatest regrets), so I'm not sure everyone that came from NXT. But I know much of the blame falls on Brock Lesnar. He has destroyed so many chances for so many deserving guys just by holding the title.

AJ Styles is one of the most rare stories of success in WWE. He didn't start in NXT, but making a name for himself elsewhere in the world before going to WWE, he was set up to fail and be a mid-carder. Somehow he's one of the biggest names in the company, although he always feels like he has that CM Punk vibe to him, where he's a top name and long-term champion but he still isn't viewed in the same realm as Cena or Reigns, in WWE's eyes.

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:01 am ]
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WWE Evolution was a novel idea, but devoting an entire PPV to the women wrestlers was never going to sell big. It'd be no different than an all tag PPV or all cruiserweight. It would have been better to devote over 50% of an event to the women. No filler, no unnecessary returns (leave Trish and Lita off the card), and build maybe five matches that people want to see. They are throwing Mickie James with Lita and Alexa Bliss with Trish Stratus. Why? At least go with Mickie and Trish. They have history. Remember the pop they got during their faceoff in the Royal Rumble? People remember.

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:07 am ]
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Going to just respond to Corpse because you make some excellent points:

-I will never understand the appeal of the Bellas. They are one of the last mainstays of the diva division, and they barely prospered at a time when women wrestling was still viewed as filler, by WWE. Their skills are average. They married well, so they get the repeated pushes, but even the crowd is usually behind them. I don't get it at all.

-I'm actually deeply surprised by Daniel Bryan. I can't figure out what is going on here. Are Vince and WWE still pissed that he became as big as he did, even while retired? I was pleased with the Miz feud because that had been building for a year or more, while Daniel was out of action. But pairing them with Maryse and Brie? Yikes.

-I get what you mean about the special PPVs. I can appreciate and respect that WWE does these and they build the company outside of North America. But it is annoying to see them pop up with such frequency now. And they rarely have much impact on overall storylines. They seem like glorified house shows now, with some big names to draw in viewers and crowds.

Author:  Corpse [ Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:13 am ]
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Just wait until we reach October, or probably as soon as next week's Raw, when they'll begin advertising Evolution, Crown Jewel, and Survivor Series at the same time...

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